State must release land to end Housing Shortage

Franzoni

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So lets have more suburban sprawl, one can have well built successful high rise developments without having a Priory Hall or Longboat Quay type scandal, if other well developed cities can go high rise, why can't Dublin, Cork, Limerick or Galway?
Because the nature in this country is to build something and walk away and hope in maintains itself....that's if we even finish it properly to begin with first.....
 


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Farm land is not not taxed and yet it is property. Our so-called property tax is actually a 'home' tax. If we tax all property in the form of land we could be a lot better off as a country.
 

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Because the nature in this country is to build something and walk away and hope in maintains itself....that's if we even finish it properly to begin with first.....
So it's more suburban sprawl then for younger people whereas with high rise developments It means that younger people would have shorter commutes to work each day with a more positive effect on family life and far less spending on petrol.
 

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So it's more suburban sprawl then for younger people whereas with high rise developments It means that younger people would have shorter commutes to work each day with a more positive effect on family life and far less spending on petrol.
Have you ever lived in flats in a large city or any high rise complex....?


How do you know they would have shorter commutes to work...?


How do you know it would lead to a 'more positive effect on family life'...?
 

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Have you ever lived in flats in a large city or any high rise complex....?


How do you know they would have shorter commutes to work...?


How do you know it would lead to a 'more positive effect on family life'...?
If somebody has a 10-15 minute commute (5-10 miles) to work as opposed to a daily round commute of 100 miles per day from the midlands, Wexford, Cavan etc that has a more positive effect on family life as It means people get home from work quicker.
 

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So it's more suburban sprawl then for younger people whereas with high rise developments It means that younger people would have shorter commutes to work each day with a more positive effect on family life and far less spending on petrol.
************************ no mate,,,, whod want to live in high rise with lifts breakin down and junkies and every class of knacker outside your door like london??????
 

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Have you ever lived in flats in a large city or any high rise complex....?


How do you know they would have shorter commutes to work...?


How do you know it would lead to a 'more positive effect on family life'...?
wouldnt be great for famlies havin kids stuck in high rise flats all day in fairness....
 

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************************ no mate,,,, whod want to live in high rise with lifts breakin down and junkies and every class of knacker outside your door like london??????
I would be opposed to high rise, public housing developments. High rise developments should be private developments exclusively.
 

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Many posters on this thread seem to be opposed to high rise developments. Okay what alternatives do you suggest that would mean younger people can afford to live close to our main cities that don;t involve large commutes into work each day?
 

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If somebody has a 10-15 minute commute (5-10 miles) to work as opposed to a daily round commute of 100 miles per day from the midlands, Wexford, Cavan etc that has a more positive effect on family life as It means people get home from work quicker.

More supposition and makey uppy nonsense devoid of any real answer..... dd it ever occur to you people living in the inner city may well have to work outside Dublin also to make a living.....:roll:.....

I'll take your reply to my questions as a NO and just more happy clappy right wing claptrap........
 

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wouldnt be great for famlies havin kids stuck in high rise flats all day in fairness....
It's amazing how many people in this country with fuk all life experience think they have all the answers.........
 

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More supposition and makey uppy nonsense devoid of any real answer..... dd it ever occur to you people living in the inner city may well have to work outside Dublin also to make a living.....:roll:.....

I'll take your reply to my questions as a NO and just more happy clappy right wing claptrap........
Where did I state that many people living in Inner City Dublin don't work outside Dublin to make a living, so what's your answer to suburban sprawl, unless of course you have no problem with many younger people having to make 100 round commutes into Dublin each day to get into work.
 

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It's amazing how many people in this country with fuk all life experience think they have all the answers.........
Nobody on this thread said they have all the answers to Ireland's housing shortage but some of us are a bit more open minded about high rise developments than others.
 

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Nobody on this thread said they have all the answers to Ireland's housing shortage but some of us are a bit more open minded about high rise developments than others.
I've a better idea....lets turn Wicklow into New Jersey....

After all that's how progress works in a free market when land in a major city becomes premium....
 

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Where did I state that many people living in Inner City Dublin don't work outside Dublin to make a living, so what's your answer to suburban sprawl, unless of course you have no problem with many younger people having to make 100 round commutes into Dublin each day to get into work.
When you posted that people would have a better work/life balance with a shorter commute...

So it's more suburban sprawl then for younger people whereas with high rise developments It means that younger people would have shorter commutes to work each day with a more positive effect on family life and far less spending on petrol.

Your original post about high rise and subsequent posts could be classed as equivocation and you only cleared up you meant high rise as a private development when another poster pulled you up on the quality of life aspect of it....

Priory Hall in case it escaped your notice was a private development as was many others with more conventional style housing with outstanding issues...

A starting point would be to admit there was massive failings within the construction industry in following best practice and the states enforcement on making them do so before conducting more social experiments in housing with unforseen consequences ....
 

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It's been just pointed out that the State is basically holding the key to resolving the housing shortage. According to developer Sean Mulryan the State is hoarding enormous portions of land which (if released) could quickly sort out our housing shortage crisis.


State must release land to end housing shortage - Independent.ie

Some serious questions should be asked about the government's policies in the light of the housing shortage crisis. Why is the government trying to implement some sub-standard measures like grants for FTB's or rent controls, while having a life-changer tool in hand and refusing to use it.

The question should be asked: do we really want to help families and sort the housing shortage problem once and for all, or do we keep implementing all the counter-productive measures (costing taxpayer millions) while keeping home ownership a sole domain of rich.
So after being bailed out by us fellow citizens because their unbridled greed and utter ignorance the builders are back demanding us citizens give them free land so they can rip everyone off again.

What a bunch of monkeys.
 

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Within a couple of miles of here I can think of at least five houses that have been for sale for at least two or three years.

There's no housing shortage around these parts so perhaps we ought to revisit the idea that Dublin is the only place in Ireland.
 

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So after being bailed out by us fellow citizens because their unbridled greed and utter ignorance the builders are back demanding us citizens give them free land so they can rip everyone off again.

What a bunch of monkeys.
No, dont give any land for free. Just stop hoarding and sell it so homes can be built on it.
 

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No, dont give any land for free. Just stop hoarding and sell it so homes can be built on it.
Sell it to who...?


The people who helped break the whole thing in the first place...?


Next you will be trying to tell us they are the people best placed to fix it............:lol:
 


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