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State to subsidise unfair dismissals


Baron von Biffo

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According to RTE Six One Aer Lingus is to make 1000 cabin staff redundant with the state picking up 60% of the redundancy cost. AL then proposes to rehire some of them on poorer terms. Clearly these are not legitimate redundancies but a means to dump staff the company doesn't want.

Spurious redundancies to circumvent normal firing procedures would surely be considered unfair dismissal. The state should not be subsidising such abuse.
 

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One word sums up everything that has happened at Aer Lingus, Privatisation.
 

Grumpy Jack

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According to RTE Six One Aer Lingus is to make 1000 cabin staff redundant with the state picking up 60% of the redundancy cost. AL then proposes to rehire some of them on poorer terms. Clearly these are not legitimate redundancies but a means to dump staff the company doesn't want.

Spurious redundancies to circumvent normal firing procedures would surely be considered unfair dismissal. The state should not be subsidising such abuse.
I hope Cowen and Lenihan learn the lesson well. This is the way to deal with the public sector and their unions.
 

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I hope Cowen and Lenihan learn the lesson well. This is the way to deal with the public sector and their unions.
You mean give millions to some corporation and then throw workers onto the dole? On what planet is that good economics?
 
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uriah

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Irish Ferries. mark 2.

But this time being done by a company in which we have a 25% stake.
 

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One word sums up everything that has happened at Aer Lingus, Privatisation.
If it was privatised, how the hell are we paying 60% of the redundancy costs.

The problem with Aer Lingus is, that it was never properly privatised in the first place.

With a bit of luck the next time a Govt privatises a state company it does not give a 25% shareholding to the unions.
 

Nugget

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If it was privatised, how the hell are we paying 60% of the redundancy costs.

The problem with Aer Lingus is, that it was never properly privatised in the first place.

With a bit of luck the next time a Govt privatises a state company it does not give a 25% shareholding to the unions.
Good question. I always thought the banks were in private control but we seem to be paying for them. It's a feature of capitalism. Profits are always privatised while big losses are nationalised.
 

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60% of all redundancy payments I believe.

I think it comes out of the employers PRSI contribution.
 

Grumpy Jack

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You mean gave millions to some corporation and then throw workers onto the dole? On what planet is that good economics?
Make them redundant, then rehire 80 per cent on 20 per cent lower salaries, defined contribution pensions and contracts similar to the private sector where people do the jobs they're paid to do when management needs them to do them and include no-strike clauses and bans on other forms of industrial action.

That will help cut the deficit by at least 30 per cent.

Make sure the union militants and troublemakers, the scammers and the lazy are among the 20 per cent who don't get rehired.

And any that are offered their jobs back and refuse to take them, then refuse them the dole until they do.

Then we'll get a public service that serves the public rather than the selfish, greedy, spoilt parasites we have today.

And we'll never have to listen to Jack O'Connor, Liam Doran or Peter McLoone ever again.
 

MPB

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Good question. I always thought the banks were in private control but we seem to be paying for them. It's a feature of capitalism. Profits are always privatised while big losses are nationalised.
I am not going to argue with you there.
 
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If it was privatised, how the hell are we paying 60% of the redundancy costs.

The problem with Aer Lingus is, that it was never properly privatised in the first place.

With a bit of luck the next time a Govt privatises a state company it does not give a 25% shareholding to the unions.
Yes, the 'Social Insuarance Fund' does pay towards redundancy based on the contributions.
Private sector companies pay out redundancy and then claim redundancy from SIF or Dept of Enterprise.
Redundancy payments-Information from CitizensInformation.ie
 

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Make them redundant, then rehire 80 per cent on 20 per cent lower salaries, defined contribution pensions and contracts similar to the private sector where people do the jobs they're paid to do when management needs them to do them and include no-strike clauses and bans on other forms of industrial action.

That will help cut the deficit by at least 30 per cent.

Make sure the union militants and troublemakers, the scammers and the lazy are among the 20 per cent who don't get rehired.

And any that are offered their jobs back and refuse to take them, then refuse them the dole until they do.

Then we'll get a public service that serves the public rather than the selfish, greedy, spoilt parasites we have today.

And we'll never have to listen to Jack O'Connor, Liam Doran or Peter McLoone ever again.
You left out the disabled or those who dare to get sick.

You believe in modern-day slavery then?
 

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If all 1000 Cabin Crew are being made redundant, will they all receive redundancy, even those who are being re-employed??
 

Grumpy Jack

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You left out the disabled or those who dare to get sick.

You believe in modern-day slavery then?
Don't be an idiot.

PS is over-staffed and over-paid and we as a state cannot afford them. Cut the numbers and the salaries. If they don't like it they can get a job in the private sector where we have to work for a living to earn our wage - not turn up and then decide if they want to work or not. I'm sick of their constant whinging. Any troublemakers should be sacked.
 

Baron von Biffo

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Don't be an idiot.

PS is over-staffed and over-paid and we as a state cannot afford them. Cut the numbers and the salaries. If they don't like it they can get a job in the private sector where we have to work for a living to earn our wage - not turn up and then decide if they want to work or not.
Brace yourself for a shock ---- Aer Lingus is a private company!
 

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I've found an RTE News story which may be in some way related to this thread:

RTÉ News: Aer Lingus crew to get minimum redundancy pay
230 Aer Lingus cabin crew who rejected a €97m cost reduction programme will only receive the legal minimum redundancy payment when they lose their jobs in a month's time.
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Most of them will be offered immediate re-employment, but on lower pay and conditions.
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It also said that it would not do any 'sweetheart' deal for the cabin crew, which was the only one of five groups to reject the restructuring agreement.

It is understood that the airline intends to make all senior cabin crew members, known as cabin managers, compulsorily redundant in an attempt to 'de-layer' the cabin crew organisation system.
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It is understood the annual working hours will rise from around 600 to 850.
cYp
 
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