Statue of Jesus removed from hospital for fear of giving offence.

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I looked at the photos and to be honest, I did think that yep, that statue could topple down any old time. If the locals want it kept, let them repair it and replace it. If they removed every religious statue, Mary and Bernie grottos from around most hospitals they would only use the space to park more trollies.

No one is taking down statues to save offence to immigrants. Do you honestly think that these people give a toss about them, when they have left their families, homes and countries, and are here, freezing, like the rest of us, all they want is a bit of comfort and a peaceful life, and to be warm. When is this bloody cold going to go away!
 


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No one is taking down statues to save offence to immigrants. Do you honestly think that these people give a toss about them, when they have left their families, homes and countries, and are here, freezing, like the rest of us, all they want is a bit of comfort and a peaceful life, and to be warm. When is this bloody cold going to go away!
This might give a clue to the answer to that question:

 

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Actually if they persist in the removal of all religious even agains the wishes of the majority then it will be easy to ban any minerets and half moons and those stupid burkas for ugly women which I detest. Ok lets do it and fast.
Yes because Ireland is full of people wearing Burkas.

You dont happen to read British Tabloids by any chance?
Anyway whats wrong with people wearing Burkas?

I seen a woman on a hot summers day who had to wear a layered black and white costume ,while hanging an effigy of dying man nailed to a piece of wood around her neck.

I think they're called nuns.

No-one blinks an eyelid at this sillyness.
 

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Whoever wrote that was obviously drunk.

The writing starts off straight but then it goes all over the place.

Drink is the cancer, rehab is the answer.
 

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My only point, and not particularly a multicultural one, is that the Hospital is a State institution, formerly run by Nuns obviously, hence the statue, staffed by public servants, run by public servants, the building is owned by the State and it is where you go to get your State public health service.

My only question being, why should the State be sponsoring/displaying a particular religion when the Constitution has not since the mid seventies, and where the State service is offered to people notwithstanding beliefs, religious or none.

It's not a multicultural argument, in my view, it is one of separation of Church and State. It is a historical anachronism left over from a time where we relied on the Church to provide a huge swathe of public services. Surely it's time we got over it.

The simple point is this, if you want statues of Jesus/Mary/Joseph etc, GO TO CHURCH, NOT THE HOSPITAL!!!
 

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That statue is displayed as if its the state flag.

Its a reminder of who used to run the country.

Pull them all down.
 

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Dear Jesus man - you came out with something stupid, you were mocked for your assinine assertions - the thread is over........ let it go.

Or take up finger painting. Nice, rage soothing finger painting.
What thread are you referring to diddums? I'm simply stating the fact that you are a useless little one liner troll.
 

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Personally I think these statues were far more offensive (to non-catholics) up until the late 80s, as they symbolised the real power of the church.
Today, they are just relics of the past, a reminder of what Ireland used to be like.
The church still has real power.
This provision was part of the charities act from last year (2009, yes 2009).
Just read the language used, particularly the interpretation:

99.— (1) A person who sells a Mass card other than pursuant to an arrangement with a recognised person shall be guilty of an offence.
(2) In proceedings for an offence under this section it shall be presumed, until the contrary is proved on the balance of probabilities, that the sale of the Mass card to which the alleged offence relates was not done pursuant to an arrangement with a recognised person.
(3) In this section—
“Church” means the Holy Catholic Apostolic and Roman Church;
“Mass card” means a card or other printed material that indicates, or purports to indicate, that the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass (howsoever described) will be offered for—
(a) the intentions specified therein, or
(b) such intentions as will include the intentions specified therein;
“priest” means a priest ordained according to the rites of the Church;
“recognised person” means—
(a) a bishop of the Church, or
(b) a provincial of an order of priests established under the authority of, and recognised by, the Church;​
“sell” includes, in relation to a Mass card, offer or expose the card for sale or invite the making by a person of an offer to purchase the card.
That's right, you can be fined €300,000 or sent to prison for 10 years for selling a "mass card" in the 21st century.
This country is completely crazy.
 

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Number of burkas and yashmaks increasing daily as our failed immigration policies fail more and more. There are security issues with Burkas also. The nun you speak of does not cover her face with a yashmak. Walked past a woman at the airport with full cover and had to laugh loudly at the state of it. She did not seem impressed. Oh I am so ignorant but that is me. Anyway this has gone off topic
That was very rude.

Anyway they arnt really a security risk, that's a red herring.

If I grew a beard, wore glasses and a cap would I be a security risk?

If someone didnt want attention brought on them, then I dont think that wearing a Burka would be the best idea as they would stick out like a sore thumb.
 

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I'm sure the hospital still has a whole bunch of crosses and other religious icons inside it, so it's hardly a case of actually implementing a secular agenda.
 

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Actually if they persist in the removal of all religious even agains the wishes of the majority then it will be easy to ban any minerets and half moons and those stupid burkas for ugly women which I detest. Ok lets do it and fast.
That's exactly the debate they're having in France. They maintain that the veil/burka are offensive to a secular republic. Of course, they have a secular republic to start with, we have a corporatist theocracy with some democracy and republicanism tagged on.
 

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Walked past a woman at the airport with full cover and had to laugh loudly at the state of it. She did not seem impressed. Oh I am so ignorant but that is me.
Yes....yes it is.

Campervan said:
What thread (....)liner troll.
And you are somebodys sock puppet, and not very good at one-liners either.

Five of your last eleven posts seem to be perhaps directed at me. I suppose that makes you a 'usefull' little troll in somebodys eyes....
 

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Yes....yes it is.



And you are somebodys sock puppet, and not very good at one-liners either.

Five of your last eleven posts seem to be perhaps directed at me. I suppose that makes you a 'usefull' little troll in somebodys eyes....
Yeah i was always a fan of podge and rodge. Just giving you the attention you crave little one. Youre spending whollly more time on here as opposed to boards.ie. Its a sad state of affairs where a pc leftist goon like yourself is being slagged off over there as well. Is the ego being massaged better over here lately?
 

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This had nothing to do with political correctness or fear of giving offense to anyone, I would be willing to bet.

Head of hospital leaves building on way home. Looks back at the facade and thinks that statue is pig ugly and represents an ethos that the hospital no longer follows makes mental note to have the thing removed.

Goes home, goes to bed, gets up, goes to work, has a chat to other senior staff, gets their nod, calls in the buildings manager, asks him to remove the statue.

Two days later, local hack calls, asking why the statue had been removed, thinks oh ********************e, racks brain and says "Health and Safety".

Hack writes up story along the usual lines, and idiots come on p.ie in due course, blaming the immigrants.
 

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But its sectarian
I don't care a bit whether the cariocas want the bloody thing or not. And if there are some who see it as sectarian and want it removed, well good luck to them. I wouldn't miss it -- indeed I've always disliked that peculiar hispanic habit of putting some religious symbol or other on every mountain peak they have access to.

I'm just saying that the aesthetic and economic considerations that apply to Cristo Rey in Rio emphatically do not apply in Killarney.
 

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My only question being, why should the State be sponsoring/displaying a particular religion when the Constitution has not since the mid seventies, and where the State service is offered to people notwithstanding beliefs, religious or none.
Looks like those with none get the best deal. Despite the fact that the majority are still in some way Catholic. In fact, I've observed no observable decrease in mass attendance. Probably because people realise that the Church, which comes from Christ, transcends any of its members.

The simple point is this, if you want statues of Jesus/Mary/Joseph etc, GO TO CHURCH, NOT THE HOSPITAL!!!
On second thoughts, you are right. Get rid of it! It's extremely offensive!! Avert your eyes!

The soft porn radiated at our children from magazines, tabloids, and TV, on the other hand, is fine.
 

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I don't care a bit whether the cariocas want the bloody thing or not. And if there are some who see it as sectarian and want it removed, well good luck to them. I wouldn't miss it -- indeed I've always disliked that peculiar hispanic habit of putting some religious symbol or other on every mountain peak they have access to.

I'm just saying that the aesthetic and economic considerations that apply to Cristo Rey in Rio emphatically do not apply in Killarney.
I find the whole thing rediculous. If you want Christian iconography, go to Church. It's presence on State buildings is a relic of the 1950's the Catholic Churches dominance of matters which should wholly be within the remit of the State.
 


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