Statue of Jesus removed from hospital for fear of giving offence.



corelli

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 13, 2007
Messages
4,472
Looks like those with none get the best deal. Despite the fact that the majority are still in some way Catholic. In fact, I've observed no observable decrease in mass attendance. Probably because people realise that the Church, which comes from Christ, transcends any of its members.



On second thoughts, you are right. Get rid of it! It's extremely offensive!! Avert your eyes!

The soft porn radiated at our children from magazines, tabloids, and TV, on the other hand, is fine.
The majority of Catholics in this State do not attend mass. Fact. 43% at last count and falling. Have you asked "Catholics" whether they want statues of Jesus on State buildings or are you doing a "Dev" and looking into your own heart thus knowing the wishes of the Irish people?
 

Interista

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 23, 2009
Messages
4,123
Have to agree that this whole 'controversy' sounds a tad Daily Mail-ish.

The article in the Independent said that it was 'hinted' that the statue was removed to avoid 'offending non-Catholics' but provided no quotes or evidence to support that. It could well be that this 'controversy' is a bit of hear-say and innuendo from which the Indo concocted a 'story' for a slow news day.
 

Almanac

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 1, 2008
Messages
3,139
The majority of Catholics in this State do not attend mass. Fact. 43% at last count and falling. Have you asked "Catholics" whether they want statues of Jesus on State buildings or are you doing a "Dev" and looking into your own heart thus knowing the wishes of the Irish people?
I don't see the big deal. Most people are admirers of Christ, however flawed some of his "followers" may be.

Do you approve of the Taliban jettisoning the Buddhist sculptures (admittedly they had significantly more aesthetic value)?
 
Joined
Jul 20, 2009
Messages
138
Mistaking his own baseless assertions for reality is what Al does best. He seems to think that what works in those conspiracy threads of his will stand in conversations with adults. I think he best stay at the kiddies table where he belongs. The Almanac of inanity will not thrive anywhere else
 

corelli

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 13, 2007
Messages
4,472
I don't see the big deal. Most people are admirers of Christ, however flawed some of his "followers" may be.

Do you approve of the Taliban jettisoning the Buddhist sculptures (admittedly they had significantly more aesthetic value)?
Being an admirer of Christ does not necessitate being presented with an Icon of him on entering a State hospital, or any State building. That is what the Church is for.

Protestants have some very good views on some matters. It's pure idolatry in any event.
 
Joined
Jul 20, 2009
Messages
138
I don't see the big deal. Most people are admirers of Christ, however flawed some of his "followers" may be.

Do you approve of the Taliban jettisoning the Buddhist sculptures (admittedly they had significantly more aesthetic value)?
I think if you replace the word "more" with "any" you will be closer as to why it was rid of.
 

TradCat

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 5, 2005
Messages
1,989
The first question is who owns the hospital. If it was a private hospital then the owners could put up or take down a statue of Jesus, Elvis or Mary Harney if they wanted to and it would be none of our business.

But no the state owns it and we have no idea how to decide the question. When the state bowed to the Church statues went up and now that the state bows to the secularists they come down. But it's the same thing. It's the state bowing to the ideology of the day. In 100 years the Muslim veil could be part of a nurses uniform. Who knows?

The priority should be to get the state out of the business of running hospitals in the first place. They do it very badly. The hospitals are inefficient, too expensive and filthy. We are going broke as a country and health is one of the big costs. people think they are entitled to have someone else pay for their health care and the government are borrowing money to avoid facing up to the hard choices required. The fact that we are even pausing to discuss a statue shows how out of touch with reality we are. Sell the hospital and let the owners decide.
 

Almanac

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 1, 2008
Messages
3,139
Mistaking his own baseless assertions for reality is what Al does best. He seems to think that what works in those conspiracy threads of his will stand in conversations with adults. I think he best stay at the kiddies table where he belongs. The Almanac of inanity will not thrive anywhere else
Ever notice that you are the only person who delivers personal insults at me? Ever ask yourself why?

I have reported your post.

Let's see if there is consistency on this site.
 

corelli

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 13, 2007
Messages
4,472
The first question is who owns the hospital. If it was a private hospital then the owners could put up or take down a statue of Jesus, Elvis or Mary Harney if they wanted to and it would be none of our business.

But no the state owns it and we have no idea how to decide the question. When the state bowed to the Church statues went up and now that the state bows to the secularists they come down. But it's the same thing. It's the state bowing to the ideology of the day. In 100 years the Muslim veil could be part of a nurses uniform. Who knows?

The priority should be to get the state out of the business of running hospitals in the first place. They do it very badly. The hospitals are inefficient, too expensive and filthy. We are going broke as a country and health is one of the big costs. people think they are entitled to have someone else pay for their health care and the government are borrowing money to avoid facing up to the hard choices required. The fact that we are even pausing to discuss a statue shows how out of touch with reality we are. Sell the hospital and let the owners decide.
Sorry, but thats a little trite.

You cannot compare the presence of a statue, an actual presence of something representative of a particular religion and the absence of ANYTHING representative of a particular religion.

The usual argument for such things is that "the vast majority of Irish people are Catholic", which, in actuality, is debatable, in that they in their majority do not follow church teaching, however, even to accept that, it merely then becomes the religious majority imposing their views and iconography on the minority, in a STATE run institution. Surely you can see the ridiculousness of it?
 

Almanac

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 1, 2008
Messages
3,139
Being an admirer of Christ does not necessitate being presented with an Icon of him on entering a State hospital, or any State building. That is what the Church is for.

Protestants have some very good views on some matters. It's pure idolatry in any event.
Only fundamentalists. Artistic representations go back to the very early church, as evidenced by the Catacombs.

In the OT instructions are given to carve angels.
 
Joined
Jul 20, 2009
Messages
138
Ever notice that you are the only person who delivers personal insults at me? Ever ask yourself why?

I have reported your post.

Let's see if there is consistency on this site.
Just call it like I see it Al. What will happen I suspect is nothing. Because no serious poster takes the blindest bit of notice of you because you're a bit of a nutter. Sorry. I just call it like I see it. I may get banned again at some stage. I just don't think it will ever be on account of you
 

corelli

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 13, 2007
Messages
4,472
Only fundamentalists. Artistic representations go back to the very early church, as evidenced by the Catacombs.

In the OT instructions are given to carve angels.
You missed the point ENTIRELY!! LOL

How does being catholic/christian in ireland necessitate the presence of statues of Jesus on state buildings?
 

Almanac

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 1, 2008
Messages
3,139
You missed the point ENTIRELY!! LOL

How does being catholic/christian in ireland necessitate the presence of statues of Jesus on state buildings?
I addressed the point you made about idolatry. LOL.
 

wolf

Member
Joined
Jun 26, 2008
Messages
48
If you take God or Allah out of the Constitution, then the control of everything is in the hands of mortals. That being the case, anything goes the law becomes the lawless, corruption gets respected etc. Well then my friends we're rightly funked ,and we the people will never get control again. Just look at the Dail, Party after Party at each others throat for TV, in the Dail Bar they all are the best of mates. It's US and THEM. It's all a charade, to cap it all they[The Politicians,all of them bar SF.]sold us out to Europe. We have yet to feel the full heat from Brussels, but it coming stealthy.
FF. & FG.& LAB.+UNIONS+BANKS & Developers have dropped this country in the pits. The sooner we ALL agree on this, the sooner We the people can do somthing about it.
 
Joined
Jul 20, 2009
Messages
138
If you take God or Allah out of the Constitution, then the control of everything is in the hands of mortals. That being the case, anything goes the law becomes the lawless, corruption gets respected etc. Well then my friends we're rightly funked ,and we the people will never get control again. Just look at the Dail, Party after Party at each others throat for TV, in the Dail Bar they all are the best of mates. It's US and THEM. It's all a charade, to cap it all they[The Politicians,all of them bar SF.]sold us out to Europe. We have yet to feel the full heat from Brussels, but it coming stealthy.
FF. & FG.& LAB.+UNIONS+BANKS & Developers have dropped this country in the pits. The sooner we ALL agree on this, the sooner We the people can do somthing about it.
Since all this happenned while God was in the constitution, that argument is pretty much dead on arrival
 

corelli

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 13, 2007
Messages
4,472
If you take God or Allah out of the Constitution, then the control of everything is in the hands of mortals. That being the case, anything goes the law becomes the lawless, corruption gets respected etc. Well then my friends we're rightly funked ,and we the people will never get control again. Just look at the Dail, Party after Party at each others throat for TV, in the Dail Bar they all are the best of mates. It's US and THEM. It's all a charade, to cap it all they[The Politicians,all of them bar SF.]sold us out to Europe. We have yet to feel the full heat from Brussels, but it coming stealthy.
FF. & FG.& LAB.+UNIONS+BANKS & Developers have dropped this country in the pits. The sooner we ALL agree on this, the sooner We the people can do somthing about it.
Oh yes, because we had a fantastic society when the Church controlled our lives. Seriously!!!
 
Joined
May 19, 2009
Messages
144
I wonder will the Brazilians be doing the same in Rio?
Not likely. Dismantling domestic culture and traditions tends to only happen in weak western countries.

I suspect that the Brazialians are more culturally self confident and not as prone to minority appeasment.
 

Toland

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 26, 2008
Messages
63,162
Website
www.aggressive-secularist.com
I don't believe this thread. The thing that was taken down was an unarguably ugly, mass-produced plaster religious statue on a non-religious public building.

Someone saw that it added nothing to the appearance or symbolics of the facade of the hospital he or she ran and ordered that the thing be taken down.

The only story is the big deal that the idiots are making out of it.
 
Joined
Jun 9, 2007
Messages
18,709
The argument over whether religious iconography should be used in State hospitals or schools is one thing, I myself am veering towards near-complete separation - get it over with once and for all rather than wait for what is probably inevitable anyway. But the argument that it was removed to avoid 'offence' is one I've heard many times In Britain over the years, one that is always exposed as nonsense once other groups are actually asked. It is nearly always only middle class liberal ideologues who have an issue and pretend to speak on behalf of others that they do not represent at all.
 


New Threads

Popular Threads

Most Replies

Top