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Stephen Collins: A serious political analysist or a propagandist for the government?


Honecker

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I think he has jumped the shark with his most recent article. He glofifies the government for the deal they did on the promissory notes saying it will have a hugely positive impact on the country's long term prospects. Collins dismisses any criticism of the deal which converts promissory notes into sovereign debt as being just the "predictable chorus of negative voices". He then drools over the EU and claims it prevented Ireland going under in its darkest days and that we should never forget it. He attacks Fianna Fáil for not giving enough support to the property tax.

Since Fine Gael/Labour came to power the Irish Times has done almost everything in their power to support them. The Irish Times is a complete blueshirt paper these days and Collins is a blueshirt cheerleader.

FF cynical shift to aggression could trip up party progress - The Irish Times - Sat, Feb 16, 2013
 

Boy M5

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Isn't he the FG Tweedledee to the FF Tweedledum (Whelan)?
Both have written books on FF.
 

wombat

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Since Fine Gael/Labour came to power the Irish Times has done almost everything in their power to support them. The Irish Times is a complete blueshirt paper these days and Collins is a blueshirt cheerleader.
Interesting, my opinion of Collins is that he's an unrepentant PD:lol:
 

Merovingian

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Interesting. Is the role of opinion based columnists to be relentlessly critical of the Government?. I've noted his tendency to support Fg. However, how is this any different to columnists who oppose all government policy. It is an opinion column.
 
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I think he has jumped the shark with his most recent article. He glofifies the government for the deal they did on the promissory notes saying it will have a hugely positive impact on the country's long term prospects. Collins dismisses any criticism of the deal which converts promissory notes into sovereign debt as being just the "predictable chorus of negative voices". He then drools over the EU and claims it prevented Ireland going under in its darkest days and that we should never forget it. He attacks Fianna Fáil for not giving enough support to the property tax.

Since Fine Gael/Labour came to power the Irish Times has done almost everything in their power to support them. The Irish Times is a complete blueshirt paper these days and Collins is a blueshirt cheerleader.

FF cynical shift to aggression could trip up party progress - The Irish Times - Sat, Feb 16, 2013

Do you expect anyone to treat you or your post seriously with your 'blueshirt' this and 'blueshirt' that?
Do you know the meaning of the word drool? Did you see him drool?
You seem to be using the mechanism of believing that by ascribing the term 'blueshirt' you can then dismiss the person, newspaper or whatever out of hand and not even bother having to put forward any argument to support or develop your case. Where else do we see that tactic used?
Are you in some students union left wing politics?
 

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Anyone who thinks the "deal" was a good one, is an idiot, ignore.
 

Eoin Coir

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Interesting. Is the role of opinion based columnists to be relentlessly critical of the Government?. I've noted his tendency to support Fg. However, how is this any different to columnists who oppose all government policy. It is an opinion column.

Collins is good and fair. After all the Irish Times is the only serious paper in this country. Just look at the Indo & Sindo and what passes for journalism there. Times is not a gov paper, read harry McGee,Michael O Regan, Lord and others. They are not pro government and neither is Collins.
 

sic transit

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We don't have very many "serious" commentators anyway. I find he's always worth a read along with the aforementioned Whelan and possibly Pat Leahy from the SBP. Apart from them who else is there? The likes of Fintan O'Toole, John Waters, VB et al are all off on crusades of one form of another and Olivia O'Leary just does her radio piece.
 

Honecker

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Collins is good and fair. After all the Irish Times is the only serious paper in this country. Just look at the Indo & Sindo and what passes for journalism there. Times is not a gov paper, read harry McGee,Michael O Regan, Lord and others. They are not pro government and neither is Collins.
I don't see how you think he's fair. Even if you agree with him you must admit he is completely biased in favour of the establishment. Just because the Sindo is delusional does not mean the IT is a quality paper.
 

sic transit

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Anyone who thinks the "deal" was a good one, is an idiot, ignore.
FF did vote for the Anglo portion of it and might be considered to be sharing in this collective idiocy.
 

turdsl

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Do you expect anyone to treat you or your post seriously with your 'blueshirt' this and 'blueshirt' that?
Do you know the meaning of the word drool? Did you see him drool?
You seem to be using the mechanism of believing that by ascribing the term 'blueshirt' you can then dismiss the person, newspaper or whatever out of hand and not even bother having to put forward any argument to support or develop your case. Where else do we see that tactic used?
Are you in some students union left wing politics?

You may hve a point, but what Collins has turned out recently would shame any objective journalist.It is shameless Fine Gael adoration,
 

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It is an improvement on its FF negotiated precursor.
No, it is not and that would be my point.

The PN's were not sovereign debt and we only paid interest to ourselves, now they are sovereign debt and we'll have the pleasure of paying the interest to someone else.
 

macs magic

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Are you saying that every FF supporter should support something no matter how ridiculous it is?
We aren't FGers you know;)
 

The Field Marshal

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I don't see how you think he's fair. Even if you agree with him you must admit he is completely biased in favour of the establishment. Just because the Sindo is delusional does not mean the IT is a quality paper.
Exactly. There is a dearth of objective impartial political analysis in Irish journalism. One wonders are these hacks always soft peddling because they have an eye on a political career themselves should the media job fold.
 
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