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Sterilization for Drug Addicts in UK


Cato

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A lady, Barbara Harris, from the above project has just been on Newstalk. They advocate (voluntary) sterilization for drug addicts. They claim that this prevents later problems and expenses.

Their objectives are;

The main objective of Project Prevention is public awareness to the problem of addicts/alcoholics exposing their unborn child to drugs during pregnancy.
Project Prevention seeks to reduce the burden of this social problem on taxpayers, trim down social worker caseloads, and alleviate from our clients the burden of having children that will potentially be taken away.
Unlike incarceration, Project Prevention extremely cost effective and does not punish the participants.
We seek and welcome alliances with all sectors of our communities including drug treatment programs, hospitals, social service departments, among others, and have established such contacts throughout the United States.
Project Prevention does not have the resources to combat the national problems of poverty, housing, nutrition, education and rehabilitation services. Those resources we do have are spent to PREVENT a problem for $300 rather than paying millions after it happens in cost to care for a potentially damaged child.
They are currently becoming active in the UK and Ms. Harris claims that they have received calls from Ireland to become active here.

What do posters think? Should this become part of the state's response to drug addiction?



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Fk no. This is nothing more than preying on the weak. There is no sense in which a junkie who is mad for his/her next fix and then is offered a few hundred quid to be sterilized can be said to be acting with the same freedom as an unaddicted person. The question of it being part of the state's response raises the ugly spectre of eugenics and the downgrading of life by administrative diktat.
 

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Fk no. This is nothing more than preying on the weak. There is no sense in which a junkie who is mad for his/her next fix and then is offered a few hundred quid to be sterilized can be said to be acting with the same freedom as an unaddicted person. The question of it being part of the state's response raises the ugly spectre of eugenics and the downgrading of life by administrative diktat.
Do you think that the state should prevent them operating in Ireland?
 

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Project Prevention - Children Requiring a Caring Community

A lady, Barbara Harris, from the above project has just been on Newstalk. They advocate (voluntary) sterilization for drug addicts. They claim that this prevents later problems and expenses.

Their objectives are;



They are currently becoming active in the UK and Ms. Harris claims that they have received calls from Ireland to become active here.

What do posters think? Should this become part of the state's response to drug addiction?
This is not the first time this idea has floated about. I believe I read somewhere where it was a very popular idea among the chattering classes in the Britain in the 1930's. Churchill was supposed to very enthusiastic about the idea. But the problem with the idea is this. It ignore's environmental factors and instead seeks to cure social ills by treating it as a genetic problem.
 

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Do you think that the state should prevent them operating in Ireland?
Tough question. I am at the final table of an online poker game so I will answer shortly.
 

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Fk no. This is nothing more than preying on the weak. There is no sense in which a junkie who is mad for his/her next fix and then is offered a few hundred quid to be sterilized can be said to be acting with the same freedom as an unaddicted person. The question of it being part of the state's response raises the ugly spectre of eugenics and the downgrading of life by administrative diktat.
Voluntary sterilisation would be a good idea in my opinion. Fact is we live in a somewhat socialistic society and the taxpayer will be forced to bail out the addict and their child(ren) as and when necessary. When people abdicate individual responsibility then the rest of us have the right (and more importantly the power) to demand certain things in return.
 

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This is not the first time this idea has floated about. I believe I read somewhere where it was a very popular idea among the chattering classes in the Britain in the 1930's. Churchill was supposed to very enthusiastic about the idea. But the problem with the idea is this. It ignore's environmental factors and instead seeks to cure social ills by treating it as a genetic problem.
What's genetics got to do with it? It's about preventing people who are incapable of raising children from having them. They're not genetically incapable, just incapable.
 

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Like seenitallb4 said, it's deeply wrong to offer money to drug addicts to encourage them into taking a life-changing medical procedure.

They're generally in no position to weigh up the consequences, and this organisation doesn't seem to procure any counselling services before or after the "deal" takes place.
 

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If it's voluntary I see no problem with it...
Is it truly voluntary though? Drug addicts could be desperate for cash and could agree to anything. In their addicted state are they truly free to make decisions of this type?
 

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Is it truly voluntary though? Drug addicts could be desperate for cash and could agree to anything. In their addicted state are they truly free to make decisions of this type?
I actually read the OP wrong, and missed the cash inducement thing.Then again they're big boys and girls and money is the same as any other interest when one weighs up interest in making a decision...
 

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Is it truly voluntary though? Drug addicts could be desperate for cash and could agree to anything. In their addicted state are they truly free to make decisions of this type?
Now picture someone in that state ..... with responsibility for kids.
 

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Project Prevention - Children Requiring a Caring Community

A lady, Barbara Harris, from the above project has just been on Newstalk. They advocate (voluntary) sterilization for drug addicts. They claim that this prevents later problems and expenses.

Their objectives are;



They are currently becoming active in the UK and Ms. Harris claims that they have received calls from Ireland to become active here.

What do posters think? Should this become part of the state's response to drug addiction?

these social Darwinian cranks were peddling the sterilisation of the poor back in the victorian era , around the same time Mr Malthus was advocating mass starvation and government non intervention as a cure for unemployment and the social ills it spawned . Its nazism lite . Of course once it solves one problem and we all get used to it it can be used to solve other problems . And then of course what about the ones who slipped through the net before we started sterlising untidy sections of the population ? perhaps a special camp where theyd be a lot happier .
They are eugencist loons .
 

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On thing is for certain, being a crack baby is 100% involuntary.

People with serious drug addictions make poor, ill informed decisions all the time - often for cash or drugs. At least this way they are not inflicting their damaged lives on a poor innocent child.
 

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On thing is for certain, being a crack baby is 100% involuntary.

People with serious drug addictions make poor, ill informed decisions all the time - often for cash or drugs. At least this way they are not inflicting their damaged lives on a poor innocent child.
so too is being born into some west brit southern middle class godawful snobby basterds of a family somehwere around ashbourne and having no choice in life but to be a total unredeemable tosser obsessed with property prices . Personally id prefer the withdrawal symptoms and stunted limbs.
 

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so too is being born into some west brit southern middle class godawful snobby basterds of a family somehwere around ashbourne and having no choice in life but to be a total unredeemable tosser obsessed with property prices . Personally id prefer the withdrawal symptoms and stunted limbs.
Ah yes, but that's because you've never been to one of our West Brit-middle class-Godawful -snobby basterd dinner parties. They're to die for.
 

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so too is being born into some west brit southern middle class godawful snobby basterds of a family somehwere around ashbourne and having no choice in life but to be a total unredeemable tosser obsessed with property prices . Personally id prefer the withdrawal symptoms and stunted limbs.
Fkn fence sitters....:)
 

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so too is being born into some west brit southern middle class godawful snobby basterds of a family somehwere around ashbourne and having no choice in life but to be a total unredeemable tosser obsessed with property prices . Personally id prefer the withdrawal symptoms and stunted limbs.
Deary me.

1) calm down.
2) go get your dictionary, and guide to English punctuation
 

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