Stoke-on-Trent By election 23/02/2017

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UKIP Leader Paul Nuttall leading Labour 10% in new poll by Labour Leave.

A win in this former Labour heartland, where UKIP came second in 2015, would probably strengthen Corbyns argument that Labour should go along with Brexit. On the other hand it could also weaken Corbyn himself with the Remoaners who are the vast majority of the backbenchers.
 


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Ceramics, betting, everybody English & white. Unusual place really.
 

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UKIP Leader Paul Nuttall leading Labour 10% in new poll by Labour Leave.

A win in this former Labour heartland, where UKIP came second in 2015, would probably strengthen Corbyns argument that Labour should go along with Brexit. On the other hand it could also weaken Corbyn himself with the Remoaners who are the vast majority of the backbenchers.
Do the constituents back waterboarding, after today's comments by the UKIP candidate?
 

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Ceramics, betting, everybody English & white. Unusual place really.
If Labour lose this and do badly in Copeland, it's going to be very, very bad for Jezzer.
 
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UKIP Leader Paul Nuttall leading Labour 10% in new poll by Labour Leave.

A win in this former Labour heartland, where UKIP came second in 2015, would probably strengthen Corbyns argument that Labour should go along with Brexit. On the other hand it could also weaken Corbyn himself with the Remoaners who are the vast majority of the backbenchers.
The "poll" is a load tosh. A Facebook poll organised by Labour Leave, a bunch of spivs who should all be kicked out of the Labour Party for aiding and financially supporting a rival political party, namely UKIP.

Labour will sweep Nuttall and his obnoxious Party away in Stoke. If UKIP lose, they are dead and buried.

https://politicalscrapbook.net/2017/01/labour-leave-try-and-boost-ukips-chances-in-stoke-with-a-voodoo-poll/
 

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The "poll" is a load tosh. A Facebook poll organised by Labour Leave, a bunch of spivs who should all be kicked out of the Labour Party for aiding and financially supporting a rival political party, namely UKIP.

Labour will sweep Nuttall and his obnoxious Party away in Stoke. If UKIP lose, they are dead and buried.

https://politicalscrapbook.net/2017/01/labour-leave-try-and-boost-ukips-chances-in-stoke-with-a-voodoo-poll/
Yes, just read the 'poll'; pure propaganda.
 

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There should be a joint thread on the Copeland and Stoke byelections, as they are being held on the same day and are both (unbelievably) seats the main opposition party could lose. Apparently the Lab candidate in Stoke is fiercely anti-Brexit in a constituency that voted 70% Leave.
 

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I sense another working class revolt in Stoke.
Labour are out of touch.
their only hope is the opposition being split between UKIP and Tory.
 

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[video=youtube;DyQ7YVXrCk4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyQ7YVXrCk4[/video]
 

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If Labour lose this and do badly in Copeland, it's going to be very, very bad for Jezzer.
Probably not. His supporters are far more interested in controlling the Labour Movement than in controlling the country.
 

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The Stoke LP bureaucracy is notoriously right-wing. The rank-and file voted overwhelmingly for Corbyn in the leadership election and since then the Blairites who control the Stoke LP have engaged in a vicious witch hunt purging large numbers of Corbyn supporters from the local constituency and removing all known Corbyn supporters from the candidate short-list (including two local councillors). The Blairites in the Stoke LP have previously expelled LP councillors who voted against austerity cuts.

The selection convention for the by-election was a stitch-up and the candidate, Snell, was LP head honcho of Newcastle-Under-Lyme council when it imposed the most vicious austerity cuts over the last couple of years.

The LP could well lose this by-election but if it does so it will be an utter indictment of the Blairites in the LP and everything they stand for - yet it will portrayed as a defeat for Corbyn. It does raise the question of why Corbyn continues to refuse to act against the Blairites who control the PLP, LP HQ and the local councils. As long as he continues to try and placate them he is exposing himself to repeated and ongoing attacks that will inevitably result in his removal (and the likely demise of the LP).
 

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The Stoke LP bureaucracy is notoriously right-wing. The rank-and file voted overwhelmingly for Corbyn in the leadership election and since then the Blairites who control the Stoke LP have engaged in a vicious witch hunt purging large numbers of Corbyn supporters from the local constituency and removing all known Corbyn supporters from the candidate short-list (including two local councillors). The Blairites in the Stoke LP have previously expelled LP councillors who voted against austerity cuts.

The selection convention for the by-election was a stitch-up and the candidate, Snell, was LP head honcho of Newcastle-Under-Lyme council when it imposed the most vicious austerity cuts over the last couple of years.

The LP could well lose this by-election but if it does so it will be an utter indictment of the Blairites in the LP and everything they stand for - yet it will portrayed as a defeat for Corbyn. It does raise the question of why Corbyn continues to refuse to act against the Blairites who control the PLP, LP HQ and the local councils. As long as he continues to try and placate them he is exposing himself to repeated and ongoing attacks that will inevitably result in his removal (and the likely demise of the LP).
I was going to quote some of the earlier posts but that is an excellent post of yours and an example of what every post should look like.
 

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The Stoke LP bureaucracy is notoriously right-wing. The rank-and file voted overwhelmingly for Corbyn in the leadership election and since then the Blairites who control the Stoke LP have engaged in a vicious witch hunt purging large numbers of Corbyn supporters from the local constituency and removing all known Corbyn supporters from the candidate short-list (including two local councillors). The Blairites in the Stoke LP have previously expelled LP councillors who voted against austerity cuts.

The selection convention for the by-election was a stitch-up and the candidate, Snell, was LP head honcho of Newcastle-Under-Lyme council when it imposed the most vicious austerity cuts over the last couple of years.

The LP could well lose this by-election but if it does so it will be an utter indictment of the Blairites in the LP and everything they stand for - yet it will portrayed as a defeat for Corbyn. It does raise the question of why Corbyn continues to refuse to act against the Blairites who control the PLP, LP HQ and the local councils. As long as he continues to try and placate them he is exposing himself to repeated and ongoing attacks that will inevitably result in his removal (and the likely demise of the LP).
But the Corbynites won the NEC elections. Can he not just impose order on such constituency parties? Ian McNichol needs to go as party secretary general.
 

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The Stoke LP bureaucracy is notoriously right-wing. The rank-and file voted overwhelmingly for Corbyn in the leadership election and since then the Blairites who control the Stoke LP have engaged in a vicious witch hunt purging large numbers of Corbyn supporters from the local constituency and removing all known Corbyn supporters from the candidate short-list (including two local councillors). The Blairites in the Stoke LP have previously expelled LP councillors who voted against austerity cuts.

The selection convention for the by-election was a stitch-up and the candidate, Snell, was LP head honcho of Newcastle-Under-Lyme council when it imposed the most vicious austerity cuts over the last couple of years.

The LP could well lose this by-election but if it does so it will be an utter indictment of the Blairites in the LP and everything they stand for - yet it will portrayed as a defeat for Corbyn. It does raise the question of why Corbyn continues to refuse to act against the Blairites who control the PLP, LP HQ and the local councils. As long as he continues to try and placate them he is exposing himself to repeated and ongoing attacks that will inevitably result in his removal (and the likely demise of the LP).
I might have gone along with what you are saying about the grass root support being misrepresented by the local party leadership until I recalled that Labour got less votes in the Richmond Park by-election last October than the number of party members in the constituency.
 

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The Stoke LP bureaucracy is notoriously right-wing. The rank-and file voted overwhelmingly for Corbyn in the leadership election and since then the Blairites who control the Stoke LP have engaged in a vicious witch hunt purging large numbers of Corbyn supporters from the local constituency and removing all known Corbyn supporters from the candidate short-list (including two local councillors). The Blairites in the Stoke LP have previously expelled LP councillors who voted against austerity cuts.

The selection convention for the by-election was a stitch-up and the candidate, Snell, was LP head honcho of Newcastle-Under-Lyme council when it imposed the most vicious austerity cuts over the last couple of years.

The LP could well lose this by-election but if it does so it will be an utter indictment of the Blairites in the LP and everything they stand for - yet it will portrayed as a defeat for Corbyn. It does raise the question of why Corbyn continues to refuse to act against the Blairites who control the PLP, LP HQ and the local councils. As long as he continues to try and placate them he is exposing himself to repeated and ongoing attacks that will inevitably result in his removal (and the likely demise of the LP).
OK. I'm confused.
Are you saying the Blairites are behind the Labour Leave campaign.
Thats mainly Old Labour, working class types. They'll probably drift off to UKIP eventually, their natural home.
Can you define what you mean by "right Wing" elements in Stoke LP?
 

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But the Corbynites won the NEC elections. Can he not just impose order on such constituency parties? Ian McNichol needs to go as party secretary general.
The LP NEC has shifted to the left - but Corbyn does not have a guaranteed majority - there are four members who vacillate between the Corbyn and Blairite wings.

As regards imposing order - the LP HQ is controlled lock, stock and barrel by the Blairites and they are regularly purging left wing supporters and inviting in any right-wing crackpot they can get their hands on (like the UKIP councillor that joined a few weeks ago).

Corbyn has consistently refused to take on the Blairites, instead attempting to appease them in the forlorn hope that they will accept his leadership - by doing this he is setting himself up for defeat. This is not necessarily Corbyn's fault. The clique that has emerged to control Momentum have been actively pressuring Corbyn to accommodate the Blairites. A majority of the LP rank-and-file support the mandatory reselection of MPs (something that Corbyn has consistently supported throughout his time as MP) yet it is the Momentum leaders who have pushed it off the agenda. Furthermore, these same 'leaders' have bureaucratically changed the rules of Momentum to copper fasten their control of Momentum and have engaged in a purge of left wing activists from the group. Among the rule changes are that you now have to be a member of the LP to be a member of Momentum (when it was founded the membership was open to all anti-austerity activists) so that as the Blarites are purging Corbyn supporters from the LP the Momentum leadership are also removing them from Momentum.

Over the past couple of weeks Corbyn has shown a little more backbone - attacking the Tories for the ongoing privatisation of the NHS and wanting a three line whip for the vote on Article 50 - but unless he actively moves to get the Blairites out of the LP and re-democratises the structures of the LP he is doomed to fail. The Blairites are merely biding their time to have another go at shafting him and it is unlikely he will be able to mobilise the same support again as pro-Corbyn members become increasingly disillusioned with the lack of democracy in the LP and the lack of action against the Blairites (the number of new members attending LP meetings has been declining).
 


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