Stop the liberalisation of An Post: www.protectyourpost.ie

redneck

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The postal services bill will be debated by the House next week. This bill seeks to open up the postal market. This could be a disaster for both staff and the paying public. As surely what will happen is the cost of a stamp will go up, and the frequency of service,especially in rural Ireland will decrease. For staff there will be job losses, reduced pay and conditions.
Furthermore there will be cherrypicking of profiterable routes. More temporary shorterm staff will be employed (social dumping)
The USO (universal service obligation) will be put under huge threat. This USO is a legal guarantee that every household/business in the country can send and recieve a delivery of post every working day. An Post subsidises this service in Rural Ireland.
The CWU (postal workers union) wants a moratorium on the implementation of liberalisation, until a proper study has been taken of the social effects of this policy. In particular legisalation in the area of social dumping/low paid jobs.
 


Chrisco

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An Post are dreadful and the sooner they face some competition the better.
 

Luigi Vampa

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They've destroyed the economy, now all that is left is the state owned assets. Time to strip them now too it seems.
 

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I would like to see Michael O'Leary in the business

I would like to see Michael O'Leary in the business
 

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The postal services bill will be debated by the House next week. This bill seeks to open up the postal market. This could be a disaster for both staff and the paying public. As surely what will happen is the cost of a stamp will go up, and the frequency of service,especially in rural Ireland will decrease. For staff there will be job losses, reduced pay and conditions.
Furthermore there will be cherrypicking of profiterable routes. More temporary shorterm staff will be employed (social dumping)
The USO (universal service obligation) will be put under huge threat. This USO is a legal guarantee that every household/business in the country can send and recieve a delivery of post every working day. An Post subsidises this service in Rural Ireland.
The CWU (postal workers union) wants a moratorium on the implementation of liberalisation, until a proper study has been taken of the social effects of this policy. In particular legisalation in the area of social dumping/low paid jobs.

This is EU Law to deregulate the postal sector, it is out of the hands of government.
 

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The government agreed to it at EU level if memory serves me correctly - so please, none of this "The EU made me do it" stuff.
If the government agreed to it then it will probably pass the house largely unopposed. Have the oppostion made any comment?
 

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The USO (universal service obligation) will be put under huge threat. This USO is a legal guarantee that every household/business in the country can send and recieve a delivery of post every working day.
The USO concept is part of the EU directive and, as such, can't be changed easily.

As an aside, I personally don't see why households couldn't make do with weekly post at this stage but most people probably still prefer to receive their bills and junk mail on a daily basis.
 

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weekly posts are impossible, in terms of volumes to be processed etc.. An Post offers a national service, they make money on the main in Dublin and Cork cities but lose money big time on the rural routes. In some industries competition works but on looking closely at the postal sector i cant see how it'll work, in Dublin we have nothing to worry about but the same service has to afforded to people country wide and this wont happen if we open up this sector.
 

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weekly posts are impossible, in terms of volumes to be processed etc.. An Post offers a national service, they make money on the main in Dublin and Cork cities but lose money big time on the rural routes. In some industries competition works but on looking closely at the postal sector i cant see how it'll work, in Dublin we have nothing to worry about but the same service has to afforded to people country wide and this wont happen if we open up this sector.
Deliverying post to rural areas costs 40% of An Posts costs and generates less than 20% of the revenue. The workers in the Post Office do an excellent job - the delievery rate is among the best in Europe but the management are as thick as two planks and there is way too many of them as well.

If the postal service is privatised, private operators will come in and cherry-pick the profitable urban business and people who live in the country will end up having to drive into a town to get it or get a delivery once a fortnight.
 
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An Post is a failed exercise in "state capitalism" Socialising the cost of living in underpopulated areas is exactly one of the problems in this country. The fact that others pay for someone to live halfway up a mountain distorts land use and makes all infrastructure less efficient for everyone.
Also lets be honest , its old technology. I've begun to notice that some of my suppliers will charge me for mailed invoices and PDF them instead. If the "true" cost of post was paid by people we would quicky see innovation in this area. But no, this will have to be a battleground for a failed union stance on how things should operate (for the benefit of their members)
 

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An Post is a social service keeping isolated people connected all over Ireland and therefore a little more secure.

Our ultra modern post office in Swords is a seven day attraction! The staff are most helpful and the services provided second to none.
 

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An Post is a social service keeping isolated people connected all over Ireland and therefore a little more secure.
The logical conclusion is that even when everything is online we should be sending postmen to every house every day to check on people.

The only letters I have received recently have been from An Post themselves as part of the TV license protection racket.
 
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Also with online shopping etc, there will always be a demand for some sort of deliveries, whether you should get stuff delivered to your house or to your local Spar should be left to the market.
 

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The logical conclusion is that even when everything is online we should be sending postmen to every house every day to check on people.

The only letters I have received recently have been from An Post themselves as part of the TV license protection racket.
Exaggeration is unhelpful.
A great many elderly Irish people are not online.

Otherwise this Forum would be a far different experience!

My most recent letter I received last Friday was from Dolores Hart living in Bethlehem CT USA, she is an ex movie star. See her on my blog below.
 
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Dylan2010

Exaggeration is unhelpful.
A great many elderly Irish people are not online.

Otherwise this Forum would be a far different experience!

My most recent letter I received last Friday was from Dolores Hart living in Bethlehem CT USA, she is an ex movie star. See her on my blog below.
playing the grey card is not an argument for maintaining the status quo. Old people dont do lots of things, so what?
 

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Forget an post... go for Irish Rail!
 

jman0war

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i'm really torn on this one.

While i agree in concept with state-provided services; my experiences with An Post, Irish Rail and Dublin Bus leave me willing for their complete dismantling.
 

MauriceColgan

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playing the grey card is not an argument for maintaining the status quo. Old people dont do lots of things, so what?
Young people these days do far less than many elderly cyclist climbing mountains in the west.

Only a few young people use skateboards yet costly facilities are built for them which are left unused 90% percent of the time.
 


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