Strategies for coping with militant public sector strikes and pay demands appropriate to the year 2040. Compulsory arbitration?

patslatt

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Strategies for coping with militant public sector strikes and pay demands appropriate to the year 2040. Compulsory arbitration?

Self styled socialist and former taoiseach Bertie Ahern who in office gave away the shop to public sector workers recommends a restoration of top down pay bargaining between unions, employer associations and government to resolve the labour unrest with militant public sector unions. That would be appeasement and only whet the appetite of greedy, spoilt brat public sector militants to press ahead with absurd pay demands. Incidentally, this top down approach was invented by the Italian fascist dictator Mussolini and is known as corporatism, a discredited concept.

Already, Irish public pay is at levels appropriate to the year 2030, yet militants' demands would push it close to the year 2040. Given the premium of the Irish public sector pay average of almost half over the private sector pay average (vs only 13% in the UK and equal pay in France and Germany), if public sector pay was frozen for fourteen years and private sector pay rose at 3% a year, this premium would disappear only about 2030.

What is to be done? Thinking about the unthinkable is unfortunately necessary. Historically, on a few occasions in response to the dangers to the security of the state from threatened garda strikes, Irish governments reacted by sacking strikers and passing draconian laws against garda strikes, laws which are still on the statute books.

Our present government needs to show similar resolve.It should start by threatening to break off negotiations unless talk of mutinous strikes ceases immediately. If the gardai strike should lead to serious public disorder, it may be necessary to form militias armed with non lethal weapons. The militia members could be recruited from sports clubs. Forming militias would be preferable to calling in the Irish army as armies have a nasty habit of staging military coups.

As for the rest of the public sector and banking, the right to strike in essential industries and essential monopolies should be replaced by compulsory arbitration. Given that ultimate fiscal responsibility resides in the government, the relevant government minister should have the right to reject an arbitration award considered too generous or,conversely,to sweeten an award considered too parsimonious.

Trade unions would still have powers to negotiate and there is a useful procedure to force settlements in the event of deadlock-the pay award can be conceded to the side whose demands come closest to the arbitrator's secret figures. Compulsory arbitration could be applied in public transport, policing, hospitals, schools and banking among other areas. For further discussion see http://www.politics.ie/forum/transport/247529-time-no-strike-clauses-compulsory-arbitration-essential-industries-monopolies.html
 
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Give them more money. Just a suggestion.
 

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Patslatt's run of the mill bash the public sector (and anti- trade union) thread.
 

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"Forming a militia armed with non lethal weapons" is a wonderful idea. Blue sky thinking. Especially militias from "sports clubs"--they would have hurleys, hockey sticks, and other weapons readily to hand.

Trained dogs might be better. Let them loose on the strikers. But that is a more expensive option and the taxpayer gets stung again.
 

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The militia should stand out from the Marxist scum. May I suggest a shirt, say a black or brown one.


What have the unions ever done for us?

Well, other than an end to child labour, a forty hour week, weekends off, holiday pay, maternity leave etc etc...


What have unions done for us?
 

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The militia should stand out from the Marxist scum. May I suggest a shirt, say a black or brown one.


What have the unions ever done for us?

Well, other than an end to child labour, a forty hour week, weekends off, holiday pay, maternity leave etc etc...


What have unions done for us?
Kept Patslatt busy composing OPs?.....and kept Eoghan Harris happy and employed writing Sindo columns?
 

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"Forming a militia armed with non lethal weapons" is a wonderful idea. Blue sky thinking. Especially militias from "sports clubs"--they would have hurleys, hockey sticks, and other weapons readily to hand.

Trained dogs might be better. Let them loose on the strikers. But that is a more expensive option and the taxpayer gets stung again.
A bounty system would work well. Permanently incapacity a striker... bounty paid = (cumulative salary of striker to retirement - cost of disability benefit over same time period)/2. Government saves, bounty hunter earns, striker never works again (setting a cautionary example to the others = strike broken). Win-win-win!
 

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"Forming a militia armed with non lethal weapons" is a wonderful idea. Blue sky thinking. Especially militias from "sports clubs"--they would have hurleys, hockey sticks, and other weapons readily to hand.

Trained dogs might be better. Let them loose on the strikers. But that is a more expensive option and the taxpayer gets stung again.
LOVE ULSTER RIOT
If the gardai didn't stand their ground against the inner city Dublin mob who were hurling rocks and debris at them from the road building works along O'Connell Street, the inner city shops would have been looted and possibly burned down. Your peacenik irony wouldn't work.
 

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Is there really a need for another thread on this Pat. Regardless of my opinion either way IS THERE REALLY A NEED FOR YET ANOTHER THREAD?



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Having read your "OP" I actually withdraw my complaint. This should be pinned to the front page of the site and used as an example of what Fascism really looks like. That word is massively overused on here but Pat has hit the nail on the head . Please OH! Please Pat can you lead from the front and join one of these Militias? Also have you considered the people who might frequent Beer Halls to join your G̶a̶n̶g̶s̶ militias. You could fit them out in Dapper Brown Shirts
 
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patslatt

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The militia should stand out from the Marxist scum. May I suggest a shirt, say a black or brown one.


What have the unions ever done for us?

Well, other than an end to child labour, a forty hour week, weekends off, holiday pay, maternity leave etc etc...


What have unions done for us?
VICTIM MENTALITY

If ridiculous pay demands are objected to, play the victim.
 

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What I don't understand is how anyone can claim pay restoration is affordable or should even happen.

The levels of pay reached during the Bertie bonanza years were paid for with the unsustainable proceeds of a massive property bubble.

The entire thing was an unaffordable fairy tale...

So people looking for restoration to those levels either believe in fairy tales or they want another big unsustainable bubble to come along to feed their need/greed despite the fact that at some stage it will burst with all the consequences of that...

There are front line PS workers who should be paid more. No doubt about that.

But there are many others above those front lines who are paid far too much for doing far too little.... and dems the facts...

What we really need is case by case awards based on how useful and required everyone is as opposed to the sh!te that goes on with incrememts and guarantees regardless of delivery or productivity and all the rest of the PS horsesh!t...

And then of course there's the fact that we're still paying billions to pay off debts... the way some people go on you'd think Ireland was out of the woods completely...
 
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Is there really a need for another thread on this Pat. Regardless of my opinion either way IS THERE REALLY A NEED FOR YET ANOTHER THREAD?
ECONOMIC WAR ON PRIVATE SECTOR
In response to absurd pay demands, a thousand threads wouldn't be enough. Public sector militants are engaged in economic war on private sector taxpayers.
 
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Give them more money. Just a suggestion.
Where do you stop , give in here and every public union is back looking for more saying this precedent makes their existing deal null and void.

It seems the next financial crisis can't come quick enough for some , we are still borrowing a lot for day to day running of the country. No guaranteed the interest rates we are getting now will always be this low.
 

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A bounty system would work well. Permanently incapacity a striker... bounty paid = (cumulative salary of striker to retirement - cost of disability benefit over same time period)/2. Government saves, bounty hunter earns, striker never works again (setting a cautionary example to the others = strike broken). Win-win-win!
STATE SECURITY
If burglars invade your house in a garda strike, would you fight them?
 

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There is very little difference nowadays between the tradeunion movement and the public sector.
There is no difference nowadays between the trade union movement/Labour Party and the public sector. They are one and the same set of piggies at the trough.

 
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