Students to protest

'orebel

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I see the Union of Students in Ireland are having a national march on Nov.3rd
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The Union of Students in Ireland will hold a national march on November 3rd, in Dublin City Centre.

The protest aims to protect education and the future of the country:

Can you afford another massive hike in the registration fee to €3000?

Can you afford another 10% cut to the student maintenance grant?

The demonstration will also highlight the consistent inaction by the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Innovation, Batt O' Keeffe, and the Government to take drastic measures to combat the umemployment and emigration crisis among the graduates of this country.
Pity a few of the other unions haven't got the bottle for a fight
 


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I see the Union of Students in Ireland are having a national march on Nov.3rd
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Pity a few of the other unions haven't got the bottle for a fight
Perhaps if we had reintroduced third levels fees which Labour withdrew as treat for their urban middle class voters. The Green blocks their reintroduction as part of the renegotiation of government to protect their middle class voters. The left wingers in the Students Unions around the country have protested their reintroduction. This Socialist thing it great. The plebs pay €3,000 registration fees so the upper middle class and rich can send their kids to college for free.
 

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At last our pampered conservative students get out on the streets. I'm actually a mature student in UCD and I cannot believe how lazy the young ones are about taking action. They have no fire in them, no sense that they must challenge and question and not just plod through a BComm to get a job and a suit.

When I was a student first time around we tried to oust a head of department for stealing equipment (not UCD) and we stood up for ourselves despite knowing that we wouldn't win.

And before anyone asks, yes I have been out protesting and writing to TDs.
 

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Perhaps if we had reintroduced third levels fees which Labour withdrew as treat for their urban middle class voters. The Green blocks their reintroduction as part of the renegotiation of government to protect their middle class voters. The left wingers in the Students Unions around the country have protested their reintroduction. This Socialist thing it great. The plebs pay €3,000 registration fees so the upper middle class and rich can send their kids to college for free.
+1.

You want education - you pay for it.

And a side effect of this is that the dossers on handy numbers at 3rd level might find out how valuable they really are.
 

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Why would they want to save fees?

And who would pay for Ballymagash's stuff on-line when they could get proper stuff?

See what the internet did to travel agents? Its starting now on education.
 

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Wealthier students should pay because Universities need funding for research. Lower income students should be exempt and encouraged to go to third level. They appreciate it a lot more than some of the spoilt brats from Foxrock. Too much class divide in Ireland when it comes to 3rd level.
 

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At last our pampered conservative students get out on the streets. I'm actually a mature student in UCD and I cannot believe how lazy the young ones are about taking action. They have no fire in them, no sense that they must challenge and question and not just plod through a BComm to get a job and a suit.

When I was a student first time around we tried to oust a head of department for stealing equipment (not UCD) and we stood up for ourselves despite knowing that we wouldn't win.

And before anyone asks, yes I have been out protesting and writing to TDs.
That's the reason I posted this. I was amazed to hear that something had got them off their pampered arses, out of their stupor and on the streets.
When I was at school in the 80s they seemed to be protesting regularly.
I've done a lot of work in a third level institute over the last 12 years and the stuff admin has gotten away with, without so much as a murmur from the students has astounded and baffled me.
 
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When universities like U.L. paid 3 people for doing one job and the two people who were not doing the job did not pay back the money they did not earn, you want to attack the students???? If you want to attack anyone attack the gurriers accepting 100's of 1000's of euros for the job they did not do.
 

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Estimated 30,000 students turning up every uni and it is sending busloads apparently.

Good on them i say
 

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+1.

You want education - you pay for it.

And a side effect of this is that the dossers on handy numbers at 3rd level might find out how valuable they really are.
What about those from poorer backgrounds?

Aren't they entitled to proper education.
 

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When universities like U.L. paid 3 people for doing one job and the two people who were not doing the job did not pay back the money they did not earn, you want to attack the students???? If you want to attack anyone attack the gurriers accepting 100's of 1000's of euros for the job they did not do.
You don't have to go that high up the scale to see huge waste in third level.
There are "technicians"(Their term, not mine) who spend the whole summer on holidays while they're supposed to be at work. As the department heads feck off to europe for the summer there's no one to keep an eye on them. One of them will go in to cover for the rest. They do this on a rota basis.
 

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What about those from poorer backgrounds?

Aren't they entitled to proper education.
School leavers fees should be means tested on parents gross income. Simples.

Also there should be a much tighter rein kept on how they spend their funding.
 

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You don't have to go that high up the scale to see huge waste in third level.
There are "technicians"(Their term, not mine) who spend the whole summer on holidays while they're supposed to be at work. As the department heads feck off to europe for the summer there's no one to keep an eye on them. One of them wil go in to cover for the rest. They do this on a rota basis.
Well then that should be dealt with, you see the students aren't protesting to keep wasteful practices ongoing they are protesting to keep the funding coming so they can remain in education.

High lighting that there's waste is beside the point, i'm sure the students intending to protest are well aware of the waste that goes on.
 

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School leavers fees should be means tested on parents gross income. Simples.

Also there should be a much tighter rein kept on how they spend their funding.
Reasonable enough demands, alas this is Ireland. We do the opposite of 'good practice'
 

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I'm back at college as a mature student too and I'll be attending the march but i'm half hearted about it, I attended an anti NAMA demo over a year ago at which less than 500 turned up. Friends I asked to attend it said they weren't interested as it didn't affect them, now the same people are moaning about cuts and tax rises.
Increases in registration fees are NEEDED because tuition fees don't exist, there are very many that can afford to pay these.
Also are the lecturers that will be supporting the protest be prepared to see a reduction in their salaries in order to safeguard the education of the students?
 

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High lighting that there's waste is beside the point, i'm sure the students intending to protest are well aware of the waste that goes on.
It is the point. The level of fees required would be an awful lot lower if the collosal amount of waste was reined in.

If they're aware of it then thats what they should have been protesting about a long time ago.
 

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URGENT: You must help the NUI Galway students. Brillant idea put in your search box 'Tell your TD campaign' and help them out. Best of luck to them on this one.
The students didn't cause the economic crisis and I think it is a disgrace the way
the young people of this country have been treated in the last 10 years. High house
prices ect.ect.
 


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