Sturgeon's IndyRef2 letter - A declaration of independence?

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Sturgeon has sent the letter to May formally requesting the transfer of powers to Scotland to hold the second Scottish Independence referendum.

Sturgeon in formal request over independence vote

The letter is quite interesting in that it anticipates the reluctance of May to allow the request.

"However, in anticipation of your refusal to enter into discussions at this stage, it is important for me to be clear about my position.
It is my firm view that the mandate of the Scottish Parliament must be respected and progressed. The question is not if, but how."


Now the next few lines might be upsetting for some as it is, in effect, the declaration of an intention to proceed anyway:

"I hope that will be by constructive discussion between our governments.
However, if that is not yet possible, I will set out to the Scottish Parliament the steps I intend to take to ensure that progress is made towards a referendum."


https://static.rasset.ie/documents/news/full-text-of-the-letter-sent-by-the-first-minister-to-the-prime-minister.pdf
Could this be Scotland standing up as a nation? Or is it just reading too much into a bit of polite chit-chat?
 


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This may be one possible path the Scots are looking at:

Catalonia leader vows 2017 referendum on Spain independence - BBC News

It is highly likely that the SNP and the Catalan government have been in discussions with each other, not just on their objectives but also on the means to obtain them over the resistance of the Spanish and British regimes. The Catalans have made detailed preparations for a de facto independence should the Spanish government refuse to recognise the legitimacy of an independence referendum likely to be called next September.

The surefooted manner in which the Holyrood administration has conducted its affairs with Westminster ever since the Brexit referendum suggests that the Scots are also working to a detailed plan to hold an independence referendum at a time of their choosing. So far, Nicola Sturgeon has run rings around Theresa May as she has goaded the British Prime Minister into refusing to recognise Scotland's vote to remain in the EU, refusing to involve any meaningful Scottish input into the Brexit negotiations with the EU and ruling out another independence referendum in the foreseeable future. This and the ignorantly disrespectful performance of May and her Tory rednecks during the House of Commons Article 50 debate last Wednesday has stoked up Scottish resentment against Little Englander intransigence.

These are just the opening shots. The real contest is only starting to unfold. However, May and her government got another kick in the goolies in yesterday's Donald Tusk reply to the Article 50 notification. Britain's natural ally in resisting Scottish demands for independence should be Spain but the pair are now at each other's throats following the inclusion of the status of Gibraltar in the EU's Article 50 agenda.

I wonder did Tusk or Juncker or the French or maybe even ourselves get a fiendish pleasure out of adding the Spanish demand to the EU's list of issues which have to be sorted out before any British post-Brexit deal with the EU can be discussed?
 

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No. A declaration of DEPENDENCE.

It is 2017, & it is obvious that the imperial racket of the day is the EU imperial monstrosity.

The SNP are Scotland's answer to the Bertie Party.

Splurge on debt, waste, obedience to Brussels, & sell it as a country's destiny.

A collection of gangsters who will bankrupt Scotland.
 
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This is terrible news for Scotland's surviving Catholic population.
 

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This may be one possible path the Scots are looking at:

Catalonia leader vows 2017 referendum on Spain independence - BBC News

It is highly likely that the SNP and the Catalan government have been in discussions with each other, not just on their objectives but also on the means to obtain them over the resistance of the Spanish and British regimes. The Catalans have made detailed preparations for a de facto independence should the Spanish government refuse to recognise the legitimacy of an independence referendum likely to be called next September.

The surefooted manner in which the Holyrood administration has conducted its affairs with Westminster ever since the Brexit referendum suggests that the Scots are also working to a detailed plan to hold an independence referendum at a time of their choosing. So far, Nicola Sturgeon has run rings around Theresa May as she has goaded the British Prime Minister into refusing to recognise Scotland's vote to remain in the EU, refusing to involve any meaningful Scottish input into the Brexit negotiations with the EU and ruling out another independence referendum in the foreseeable future. This and the ignorantly disrespectful performance of May and her Tory rednecks during the House of Commons Article 50 debate last Wednesday has stoked up Scottish resentment against Little Englander intransigence.

These are just the opening shots. The real contest is only starting to unfold. However, May and her government got another kick in the goolies in yesterday's Donald Tusk reply to the Article 50 notification. Britain's natural ally in resisting Scottish demands for independence should be Spain but the pair are now at each other's throats following the inclusion of the status of Gibraltar in the EU's Article 50 agenda.

I wonder did Tusk or Juncker or the French or maybe even ourselves get a fiendish pleasure out of adding the Spanish demand to the EU's list of issues which have to be sorted out before any British post-Brexit deal with the EU can be discussed?
Well Sturgeon would want a bit more wind in her sails before she sets out to sea again on another Referendum

- the SNP lost the last one when they were confidant of winning it.....:oops:

Scotland leaving the UK would put the Tory Party in Power in England for perpetuity....
 

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This is terrible news for Scotland's surviving Catholic population.
MoreFides than Ratio there.

Are you seriously suggesting that Scottish Catholics are threatened by Indy?

Strange that the Orange Order in Scotland are virulently opposed to it.
 

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Because Scottish Prods are violently Anti-Catholic, there was more support for the Loyalist Paramilitaries in Scotland than there was among the Ulster PUL, let us remember that the SNP has it's roots in the Orange Order.
 

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Well Sturgeon would want a bit more wind in her sails before she sets out to sea again on another Referendum

- the SNP lost the last one when they were confidant of winning it.....:oops:

Scotland leaving the UK would put the Tory Party in Power in England for perpetuity....
Why should Scots worry what parties govern England post Indy? An odd argument against independence.

In fact of course, political nature abhors a vacuum and (like in SA) a hegemonic party eventually splits.
 

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MoreFides than Ratio there.

Are you seriously suggesting that Scottish Catholics are threatened by Indy?

Strange that the Orange Order in Scotland are virulently opposed to it.
My Da is an Orange man, I know all about their tricks, the reason that they came out against it was to push wavering Celtic Fans into voting for it.
 

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Because Scottish Prods are violently Anti-Catholic, there was more support for the Loyalist Paramilitaries in Scotland than there was among the Ulster PUL, let us remember that the SNP has it's roots in the Orange Order.
That's just silly.
The people violently celebrating in George's Sq after the Indy ref were Orangemen and Britnat neofascists.

Not too many Taigues I'd say.
 

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My Da is an Orange man, I know all about their tricks, the reason that they came out against it was to push wavering Celtic Fans into voting for it.
Aye right. Theresa May is my auntie and i know all about Tory tricks too.
 

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If anything good comes from Brexit referendum it took away the notion of a United Kingdom or that the north and Scotland have any input in Westminster. CAn ye imagine if the English had a vote on the GFA too?
 

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That's just silly.
The people violently celebrating in George's Sq after the Indy ref were Orangemen and Britnat neofascists.

Not too many Taigues I'd say.
George Galloway shares my concerns. I think he knows a little more about Scotland than you do.
 

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George Galloway shares my concerns. I think he knows a little more about Scotland than you do.
An argumentum ad hominem there.. Ratio on the ebb I'd say. But Fides on the flood.

By that logic, as Nicola Sturgeon disagrees with you, your argument falls.
 

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An argumentum ad hominem there.. Ratio on the ebb I'd say. But Fides on the flood.

By that logic, as Nicola Sturgeon disagrees with you, your argument falls.
Sturgeon is a Prod. Have you ever been to Scotland?
 

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No. A declaration of DEPENDENCE.

It is 2017, & it is obvious that the imperial racket of the day is the EU imperial monstrosity.

The SNP are Scotland's answer to the Bertie Party.

Splurge on debt, waste, obedience to Brussels, & sell it as a country's destiny.

A collection of gangsters who will bankrupt Scotland.
What's your problem with Scotland seeking Independence, why such anger? If Nicola Sturgeon is getting under the skins of the west Brit wánkbags, UKIP fanboys and their sock puppets that literally stink this place out of it, then she and the Scots can be assured they're going about things the right way.
 
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That's just silly.
The people violently celebrating in George's Sq after the Indy ref were Orangemen and Britnat neofascists.

Not too many Taigues I'd say.
That poster is taking shíte. The SNP were originally started from the protestant community they're a different movement entirely now, have been for decades. He's trolling.
 

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What's your problem with Scotland seeking Independence, why such anger? If Nicola Sturegeon is getting under the skins of the west Brit wánkbags, UKIP fanboys and their sock puppets that literally stink this place out of it, then she and the Scots can be assured they're going about things the right way.
It is you that is exhibiting anger, not me.

Independence carries the weight of responsibility.

Scotland's maFFia party are not up to the responsibility. This can be evidenced by their borrowing addiction, to sustain the 'feel good factor'.

Reminds me of Mehole and the gangsters.
 


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