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Sun, Sea and Satan... Revelation of UK Child Care.


Armchair Activist

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Further from the Jimmy Saville abuse scandle here is a documentary accounting on the systematic failure of so called child care.

[video=youtube;lq6lJsBz9UY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq6lJsBz9UY[/video]

A hard-hitting emotionally charged 60 min documentary by Bill Maloney (Award winning independent film director) who's family were all brought up in the UK care system.

It covers Maloney's visit and interpretation of Jersey, Channel Islands, following the ongoing child abuse investigations of the children's care home 'Haut de la Garenne'. It highlights connections with the Sea Cadets and children being brought from London care homes for 'sailing holidays' on the Island. The documentary contains strong language and strong opinions.

Due to his and his family's experiences of Establishment care homes Maloney felt compelled to see first hand the response of Islanders to the alleged abuse claims and their general feeling for the Governing States. A mixed response of silence, anger and insensitivity is catalogued from this island of geographical beauty with an ugly underbelly. The film includes mainstream news reports with Jeremy Paxman, Stuart Syvret, Lenny Harper, Esther Rantzen and Frank Walker.

It is the opinion of Bill Maloney that if a child was required - Haut de la Garenne was the venue; if an adult was required - St Saviours Mental Hospital was the venue.

JERSEY IS NOT PART OF THE UK, IT IS OWNED BY THE CROWN.
[video=youtube;1l2oTdLg9UU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l2oTdLg9UU[/video]

“I agree with you, child abuse is horrendous.. its endemic in all institutions"
“The mayor has no ‘responsibility’ for childcare, it’s a government and a borough problem”

yet again the book is been passed. He admits knowledge of widespread abuse yet he canvases on the streets for public support refusing to publicise the issue in order to assert greater politicial pressures.

This is a disgrace.
 
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The target of this should be the elite of Britain who are getting away with the abuse of children. Peter Morrison – private secretary to Thatcher – was an abuser as was one of her most senior cabinet appointees.

Why is Livingstone the object of his ire – go after the abusers and more particularly those who cover it up.
 

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IMO, it's more the case that terrible mistakes are made (e.g. abusers get into the system and sometimes work together in a systematic way) rather than the whole system itself being corrupt.

You give the example of some people close to Thatcher being involved in child abuse. What I want to know is, what percentage of advisors and cabinet appointees and other assorted hangers on were known abusers?

And how many people are we talking in total that comprise the "elite of Britain" you are referring to? Thousands I would imagine.

So, is the percentage of known abusers among "the elite" higher or lower than the average and/or the percentage found in other groups?

I assume those figures aren't available, --what sort of 'establishment' would fund that study, right? ;)-- but I think even pondering these realities should put things into some perspective; i.e. a system operated with the best of intentions is sometimes penetrated by evil people, rather than the entire system itself being some sort of systematic, sadistic mechanism through which the elite of Britain feed on disadvantaged British young.
 

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Does this mean we can all stop according moral authority to the state now, given that along side its usual crimes of expropriation, murder, financial recklessness, and violence, we can now add institutionalized paedophilia?
 

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IMO, it's more the case that terrible mistakes are made (e.g. abusers get into the system and sometimes work together in a systematic way) rather than the whole system itself being corrupt.

You give the example of some people close to Thatcher being involved in child abuse. What I want to know is, what percentage of advisors and cabinet appointees and other assorted hangers on were known abusers?

And how many people are we talking in total that comprise the "elite of Britain" you are referring to? Thousands I would imagine.

So, is the percentage of known abusers among "the elite" higher or lower than the average and/or the percentage found in other groups?

I assume those figures aren't available, --what sort of 'establishment' would fund that study, right? ;)-- but I think even pondering these realities should put things into some perspective; i.e. a system operated with the best of intentions is sometimes penetrated by evil people, rather than the entire system itself being some sort of systematic, sadistic mechanism through which the elite of Britain feed on disadvantaged British young.
According to Icke, in the above documentary, the ratio in establishment figures abusing kids, is substantially higher....

Pondering the 'realties'.. Does the 'system' operate with the best of intentions? A little closer to home*..

*Clerical Whispers..

1978 - Father Tony Walsh is ordained aka 'The Beast Of Ballyfermot' — he admits he has abused before that. Two days after his appointment to Ballyfermot parish in July 1978, a complaint is received that he had sexually abused an eight-year-old boy at the house of fellow abuser Fr Noel Reynolds....

Following an interview with Walsh, Monsignor Glennon notes in Latin the alleged abuse as involving: "kisses, embraces and shameless touching". They actually said that? In Latin? About the sexual abuse of children?

1979 - A complaint is made by the mother of a 14-year-old boy alleging he was abused by Walsh in Ballyfermot in 1978 and 1979. The parish priest tells the mother he will contact the Archbishop’s house. After hearing nothing, the boy’s mother contacts the parish priest of Ballyfermot, Canon Val Rogers, seeking some action. Fr Michael Cleary is sent to the boy’s house some time in early 1980 "to educate him on issues of male sexuality".

1985 - Fr Donal O’Doherty parish priest of Ballyfermot from 1984 later said he was given a "veiled warning" by Archbishop Ryan about Walsh "without stating exactly what his concerns were". Fr O’Doherty tells Monsignor Stenson that Walsh was close to the altar boys.

1985 - A couple complain to Monsignor Stenson that Walsh has interfered with their daughter. Around the same time, the parents of a 14-year-old boy tell their local priests they are concerned about Walsh’s frequent visits to their son. Later in April 1985, Monsignor Stenson meets Walsh and Walsh "denies nothing". He admits involvement with the young boy in Ballyfermot and another incident with a young boy in Wicklow. Monsignor Stenson warns Walsh and says Walsh is agreeable to going to a psychiatrist adding that the paedophile is grateful he had been given a "second chance".

1988 - 10 years after the first complaint was made, the Archbishop decides to send Walsh to Stroud for treatment. A month later, Monsignor Stenson notes the following comments made by a psychologist from Stroud: "is extremely compulsive — there have been an awful lot of children involved. He is a very disturbed man. He is always going to be dangerous. He could not be let near schools, children, Confession without a grille etc..."

September 1991 - The Archbishop orders Walsh to live in St John of God psychiatric hospital. On the night before he is due to enter St John of God’s, he attempts to persuade a young boy, aged 11, whom he had baptised, into his car. The boy refuses. He then follows the boy to his house and attempts to persuade his sister that the boy should go out with him. The family call gardaí. In an interview with his psychologist the following day "Fr Jovito" described the boy as "incredibly good looking".

A few days later, a garda investigating the concerns expressed in August 1991 rings Monsignor Stenson inquiring about Walsh’s whereabouts after gardaí from another station had been in touch about a young boy who had recently been approached by Walsh outside a shopping centre. Monsignor Stenson’s note of these contacts with the garda ends: "the garda assured me that there was ‘no question of prosecution’ — asked has he a history etc. I indicated that we had been concerned about him".

The garda has since said Monsignor Stenson told him that the Church was carrying out an internal investigation into the paedophile activities of Walsh and that he had asked for the garda’s co-operation. At around this time the garda’s report also records that Fr Willie Walsh called to Whitehall station stating that he had been appointed to carry out an internal investigation into the paedophile activities. The commission said that, for all practical purposes, any garda investigation into Walsh’s activities ended at this point.

1992 - A couple reports to Monsignor Stenson that Walsh has been calling to their home and one day they discovered their 10-year-old son sitting on his lap.

1993 - Walsh appeals to Rome against the decision and it allows his appeal saying he ought to remain in the clerical state provided he enter a monastery for a period of 10 years.

1994 - A young boy reports to the gardaí in Ballyfermot that he has been sexually assaulted by Walsh in the toilet of a pub following the funeral of the boy’s grandfather.

There's a few notes from the Father Tony Walsh scandal, which proves that the Abuse is/was systematic. Everybody knew it was going on. From the local parish priests, all the way through to the Pope. "kisses, embraces and shameless touching". They actually said that? In Latin? About the sexual abuse of children? And everyone knew it was going on. The Catholic Church even had the brass neck to carry out its own investigation.. And that's what some people refuse to accept, that the 'abuse' isn't 'abuse' in the eyes of these people.. 'tis only a bit of shameless touching, and a few kisses', by some sort of 'Father Ted' character..

And Jesus wept..
 

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IMO, it's more the case that terrible mistakes are made (e.g. abusers get into the system and sometimes work together in a systematic way) rather than the whole system itself being corrupt.

You give the example of some people close to Thatcher being involved in child abuse. What I want to know is, what percentage of advisors and cabinet appointees and other assorted hangers on were known abusers?

And how many people are we talking in total that comprise the "elite of Britain" you are referring to? Thousands I would imagine.

So, is the percentage of known abusers among "the elite" higher or lower than the average and/or the percentage found in other groups?

I assume those figures aren't available, --what sort of 'establishment' would fund that study, right? ;)-- but I think even pondering these realities should put things into some perspective; i.e. a system operated with the best of intentions is sometimes penetrated by evil people, rather than the entire system itself being some sort of systematic, sadistic mechanism through which the elite of Britain feed on disadvantaged British young.
A valid argument and one we should hope for. However we can all safely assume that the catholic church is largely to blame for years of abuse that went on around the world.

From my own spiritual and God beliefs I can tell you that the whole thing is a sharade. The whole thing is practically satanic. IF jesus had existed he would have remained one with the poor, not some eye atop the pyramind type like the pope.
 
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. However we can all safely assume that the catholic church is largely to blame for years of abuse that went on around the world..


That is patent nonsense. Child abuse was at least as prevalent in secular UK as it was here and indeed they have gotten nowhere near the level of exposure as has happened here. Catholic clerics are no more likely to abuse than any other seection of the population and of course the most telling of all is that abusers are more likely to be family members.

Child abuse took place across the entire world in the 20th century; from Soviet orphanages to Catholic boarding schools to American penal institutions to Australian homes for Aboriginal children to Swedish state homes. Indeed 40% of female and 20% of male former and current Swedish foster care children claim to have been abused.


In what way is the Catholic Church responsible for that, pray tell?
 

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IMO, it's more the case that terrible mistakes are made (e.g. abusers get into the system and sometimes work together in a systematic way) rather than the whole system itself being corrupt.

You give the example of some people close to Thatcher being involved in child abuse. What I want to know is, what percentage of advisors and cabinet appointees and other assorted hangers on were known abusers?

And how many people are we talking in total that comprise the "elite of Britain" you are referring to? Thousands I would imagine.

So, is the percentage of known abusers among "the elite" higher or lower than the average and/or the percentage found in other groups?

I assume those figures aren't available, --what sort of 'establishment' would fund that study, right? ;)-- but I think even pondering these realities should put things into some perspective; i.e. a system operated with the best of intentions is sometimes penetrated by evil people, rather than the entire system itself being some sort of systematic, sadistic mechanism through which the elite of Britain feed on disadvantaged British young.
I'd like to make just two points. Firstly I heard the stories about Morrison and the other Tory when I lived in London. It was common gossip. The abuse is not individual errors made by people – it is systematic and organised. Secondly I don’t think Tories are particularly prone to this but it is the cover up that is the most damaging. Nearly every abuse case we know about complaints were made and the authorities covered it up. It wasn’t that they didn’t do anything – they actively covered it up.
 

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I sometimes think that there is a parallel world, where child abuse and rape is common place, and it seems to be our "betters" who are all at it. So many pillars of society all seem to be monsters. It just seems to be a different world to the one that I live in.

Rant over!!!!!
 

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That is patent nonsense. Child abuse was at least as prevalent in secular UK as it was here and indeed they have gotten nowhere near the level of exposure as has happened here. Catholic clerics are no more likely to abuse than any other seection of the population and of course the most telling of all is that abusers are more likely to be family members.

Child abuse took place across the entire world in the 20th century; from Soviet orphanages to Catholic boarding schools to American penal institutions to Australian homes for Aboriginal children to Swedish state homes. Indeed 40% of female and 20% of male former and current Swedish foster care children claim to have been abused.

In what way is the Catholic Church responsible for that, pray tell?
How are the Catholic Church responsible for people like Father Tony Walsh, who was ordained in 1978, and abused approximately 500+ kids? Eh, because they all knew about it.. The Pope knew. The Archbishops knew. The bishops knew & the priests knew.. IINM the Catholic Church believes in the 'Confessional Seal'.. which is exactly what gives them the 'power' to conduct their own internal investigation, which in turn would mean that Father Walsh gets to go to England for four months, for 'psychiatirc' care.. etc.. etc.. Gets out and continues to fiddle with kids..

If it was my child, I'd have nailed him to a cross and gladly watched him to bleed to death..

So, is our dear Catholic Irish Church is on the same level as other State Institutions charged with the wlfare of orphaned Aboriginal kids in Australia? 'tis certainly no better.. The removal of Aborigenie kids from their birth parents in the 19th Century, was certainly a 'christian concept', which originated in Westminister, in the 1830s.. The abuse in Australia was certainly Systematic. It was Genocide in another form ffs.. similar to the systematic Re-Programming of the Irish People through the National Schools, around the same period, but cruel in a different way, almost christian..

Americans, Swedes & Soviets I'm not so sure about..
 

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I did not say they were not responsible for the scum who abused as priests. I was responding to the ridiculous claim that RCC is mainly responsible for child abuse on a global scale.

All institutions which had custodial and other power over children are equally as guilty.

As for the endemic rape of children in Soviet institutions, I think you will struggle to find that it had a 'Christian' motivation!
 

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The Jimmy Savile report is due out this morning.

It will admit that Jimmy was given free access to the children of haut de la garenne orphanage.

Some very suspicious things happened in that orphanage. Indeed a US journalist Leah MGrath Goodman, who wants to investigate what went on there, is still banned from visiting Jersey.

Imagine the controversy if a foreign journalist who wanted to investigate the myriad Irish abuse scandals was banned from visiting Ireland.
 

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I did not say they were not responsible for the scum who abused as priests. I was responding to the ridiculous claim that RCC is mainly responsible for child abuse on a global scale.

All institutions which had custodial and other power over children are equally as guilty.

As for the endemic rape of children in Soviet institutions, I think you will struggle to find that it had a 'Christian' motivation!
I'm not sure if you've actually watched the video in the OP. The bloke who made it comes from a family who were abused, by Institutions, and he probably sees abuse around every corner. While he's in Jersey, he comes across a garden ornament, a bit of 'art', which was basically a figure of a two year-old boy, sucking a ****, with a baseball bat on its head, in someones front garden, which was then replaced with a wig, consisting of a pair of pig-tails.. A mile away from an Institution where one of his relatives were abused.. Where the bones of dead kids where found.. That's not an attack on the RCC, it's an attack an The Elite. In this country, the Catholic Church are part of the Elite. Whether it's the Institutions of the RCC, or the COE, committing the abuse, the point is that it's more prevailent in The Institutions.. It's systematic. That place in Jersey seems to have been a pick-up joint for kids ffs.. And the 'attitude'' of the locals to 'art' pieces of two year-olds sucking **** is quite shocking, imho, watch it if you get the chance..
 

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People who prey on children will actively seek positions where they have access to children and power over them. If these positions also give them a certain status in society which will make it harder for them to be called to book all the better. The Catholic Church in Ireland had both of those conditions in spades which meant that these sick individuals were attracted to the priesthood. I don't believe being a priest increases the chances of you being an abuser but abusers are more likely to be a priest, if that makes sense.
In the UK where the church is not as strong they seem to have been attracted to care homes and hospitals.
Institutions, be that the church, professional bodies, unions etc. are always quick to try to protect their members when they are under attack from outside bodies, however few would go to the lengths the catholic church in Ireland, and in Rome, went to protect their members when evidence of abuse was overwhelming.
 

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I sometimes think that there is a parallel world, where child abuse and rape is common place, and it seems to be our "betters" who are all at it. So many pillars of society all seem to be monsters. It just seems to be a different world to the one that I live in.
After a long period of involutary incarceration, the world can indeed appear as a strange and threatening place.
 

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I attempted to watch the documentary cited in the OP and concluded it was unwatchable.
 

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I attempted to watch the documentary cited in the OP and concluded it was unwatchable.

Indeed. It is pretty poor. There is certainly something sinister about the manner in which the original enquiry and enquiry officers were discredited but the film adds nothing to that other than introudce lots of tenuous stuff about Satanism.

Will be interesting to see what is said today about Saville and his visits to the home. The very fact that he took legal action to stop people saying he had been there says a lot.
 

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