Sunday Times Poll: SF Rise Continues, FG and FF Down

[Sync]

Sunday Times Poll Behaviour and Attitudes poll results are out

FG: 30% (Down 3)
SF: 24% (Up 3)
FF: 23% (Down 2)
Independent Alliance 3% (Up 1)
Labour: 2% (Down 2. Abandon all hope ye who enter here)
Solidarity-People Before Profit: 2% (Up 1)
Greens: 2% (NC)
Social Democrats: 1% (NC)

Indos: 10% (Up 2)

Leo and Mary Lou joint most popular leader. It's probably time for Martin to hire someone to taste his food before he eats.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-more-popular-than-fianna-fail-but-fine-gael-remains-ahead-poll-36925730.html

 

[JimmyFoley]

This poll has 1/4 voters supporting SF; the other one has 1/6.

How can this one be out by 50% (or the other by whatever %)?

 

[Dr Pat]

I can't see SF getting 24% ever.

 

[Goa Tse]

MM's goose may be cooked, and what's bad for FF is good for Ireland.

Neglects to mention it in the article , but Re-who?-a are on a big fat zero

 

[Niall996]

I presume that makes Sinn Fein the biggest most successful party on the island in terms of voters/popularity.

 

[Cai]

I can't see SF getting 24% ever.

Her party managed almost 30% in the North last time out.

 

[Sync]

I can't see SF getting 24% ever.

It feels high. But. The Behaviours poll can point to them getting 15% on SF prior to the last election and the party getting 14%.

And if you think about it: There's no one else getting those ex Labour voters. There is a left leaning section of the population. They don't like Labour. FF and FG aren't left wing. SF are. 1/4 of the population voting for a left leaning party in the absence of viable alternatives? Doesn't seem impossible.

But the trend at this point seems undeniable, and that's what's more important to focus on. As was predicted by people for years: Getting shot of Adams has led to a real bounce for SF, and they're eating into FF's support.

 

[Cai]

Sunday Times Poll Behaviour and Attitudes poll results are out

FG: 30% (Down 3)
SF: 24% (Up 3)
FF: 23% (Down 2)
Independent Alliance 3% (Up 1)
Labour: 2% (Down 2. Abandon all hope ye who enter here)
Solidarity-People Before Profit: 2% (Up 1)
Greens: 2% (NC)
Social Democrats: 1% (NC)

Indos: 10% (Up 2)

Leo and Mary Lou joint most popular leader. It's probably time for Martin to hire someone to taste his food before he eats.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-more-popular-than-fianna-fail-but-fine-gael-remains-ahead-poll-36925730.html

I wonder if he’ll persuade that nice Mr Coveney to assume the responsibilities for food tasting to add to the other stuff he does.

 

[Cai]

It feels high.

Not really - there’s been a fluid component to the Irish electorate for many decades which settles in various places in various elections.

There”s no reason at all why it shouldn’t opt for SF at some point - in fact that’s very likey.

Retaining it for the medium term is a different matter of course.

 

[storybud1]

Meehole is gone if No wins, McGrath is a shoe in (Darragh O Brien would be better) and the next GE will hopefully see the end of the spin doctor in FG, even the end of FG,, utter sh1tes compared to the party they were founded to be,

stranger things have happened,,

 

[Sync]

Meehole is gone if No wins, McGrath is a shoe in (Darragh O Brien would be better) and the next GE will hopefully see the end of the spin doctor in FG, even the end of FG,, utter sh1tes compared to the party they were founded to be,

stranger things have happened,,

Stranger things have happened in Ireland than the largest party in the state going into an election and then ceasing to be by the end of that election. Name 1.

 

[Peppermint]

Sunday Times Poll Behaviour and Attitudes poll results are out

FG: 30% (Down 3)
SF: 24% (Up 3)
FF: 23% (Down 2)
Independent Alliance 3% (Up 1)
Labour: 2% (Down 2. Abandon all hope ye who enter here)
Solidarity-People Before Profit: 2% (Up 1)
Greens: 2% (NC)
Social Democrats: 1% (NC)

Indos: 10% (Up 2)

Leo and Mary Lou joint most popular leader. It's probably time for Martin to hire someone to taste his food before he eats.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-more-popular-than-fianna-fail-but-fine-gael-remains-ahead-poll-36925730.html

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I treat this POLL like I do every other.! Pointless, they are often an attempt to sway opinion rather than an effort to reflect it ..

 

[Ceartgoleor]

It feels high. But. The Behaviours poll can point to them getting 15% on SF prior to the last election and the party getting 14%.

And if you think about it: There's no one else getting those ex Labour voters. There is a left leaning section of the population. They don't like Labour. FF and FG aren't left wing. SF are. 1/4 of the population voting for a left leaning party in the absence of viable alternatives? Doesn't seem impossible.

But the trend at this point seems undeniable, and that's what's more important to focus on. As was predicted by people for years: Getting shot of Adams has led to a real bounce for SF, and they're eating into FF's support.

The FG & Labour vote overlapped many times over the years with the arty smoked salmon socialists & the wanna be artists in FG sliding back and forth between FG & Labour. During the years when FF were in government the protest vote slipped back FG & L as the only alternative to FF.

Now SF are added to the left wing mix and FG traditionally go into bed with the left.

This is all we are seeing here. A simple rejigging of the old FG/Labour/Democratic left coalition.
In the absence of a real alternative SF are taking a piece of the old Labour and disaffected FG protest votes.

When the voters want to punish FG of FF they voted for the opposition. In this case SF being the primary opposition party.

FF are a corrupt party that supports the current FG government. If people want to punish FG they won't vote FF since they are the very reason FG are in government. FF therefore are unlikely to gain from the usual anti-government protest vote come election time. It would be a case of tweedle dum or tweedle dee. The voters do want something different and sadly all they have is SF / Labour on the left to deal with the terrible health services, housing supply and rack rents. No party on the right seems able to deal with these issues.

 

[DJP]

The voters do want something different and sadly all they have is SF / Labour on the left to deal with the terrible health services, housing supply and rack rents. No party on the right seems able to deal with these issues.

Fine Gael's lack of heavyweights in Government makes me cringe but I personally trust them a lot more than FF or SF i.e. I have more faith in them overall to run the country.

 

[LovelyIslander]

How could SF be 50 per cent higher in one poll than the other?

 

[jmcc]

And if you think about it: There's no one else getting those ex Labour voters.

The reality is that beyond a small bunch of hardcore Labourites, there is no "Labour vote". There's a floating vote that oscillates between the main parties but it is not a "Labour vote".

But the trend at this point seems undeniable, and that's what's more important to focus on. As was predicted by people for years: Getting shot of Adams has led to a real bounce for SF, and they're eating into FF's support.

The danger of seeing things in a simplistic black and white perspective is that it misses what is happening with SF. SF is becoming more centrist. It is displaying disinct signs of Fianna Failness.

 

[hollandia]

This poll has 1/4 voters supporting SF; the other one has 1/6.

How can this one be out by 50% (or the other by whatever %)?

Methodology. B&A consistently poll SF higher than RedC do. (I don't know what the actual methodology is)

 

[Dame_Enda]

Labour on 2% would be game over.

 

[Northsideman]

Sunday Times Poll Behaviour and Attitudes poll results are out

FG: 30% (Down 3)
SF: 24% (Up 3)
FF: 23% (Down 2)
Independent Alliance 3% (Up 1)
Labour: 2% (Down 2. Abandon all hope ye who enter here)
Solidarity-People Before Profit: 2% (Up 1)
Greens: 2% (NC)
Social Democrats: 1% (NC)

Indos: 10% (Up 2)

Leo and Mary Lou joint most popular leader. It's probably time for Martin to hire someone to taste his food before he eats.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-more-popular-than-fianna-fail-but-fine-gael-remains-ahead-poll-36925730.html

SF at 24%? Not a fecking chance of that being real.

"Leorechaun" Polling.

 

[Levellers]

Such polls are pretty useless but the trend of polls over a period of a year are much more informative.