Supergrass Raymond Gilmour found dead

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The Lord Chief Justice described him as being "entirely unworthy of belief". He was "a selfish and self-regarding man to whose lips a lie invariably comes more naturally than the truth". Yet the Chief Constable of the RUC swore by Gilmour's credibility.

It seems that some people still do.
Yes, well you see "Intelligence" is not necessarily the same thing as evidence...?
 

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I think several points are being missed on here. Gilmour was never an IRA "volunteer", who was turned, or someone who had a spectacular change of heart.

His mother was mentally ill and his father was an alcoholic. He stated that his father made him and his two sisters drink his piss when he was at his most violent and disturbed. Gilmours older brother would return from school and throw his coat down, demanding Gilmour "eat it". There was nothing else to eat in the house.

Gilmour became a petty criminal and when picked up by the RUC for burglary was advised to join not the Provos - they wouldnt have him - but INLA. He went on to betray everyone he was associated with in that group.

That is what Graham Green, the novelist and old M16 hand, called the "human factor". Look at who you are dealing with. They are only as good as they are.

Pitiful and sordid. Not Gilmour, exactly - the whole policy.
 

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One of Mr Gilmour's quotes was something like this: Living a lie wrecks your life.
 

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Jesus, could you be more naff?

That reads like a line on one of those calendars where you tore the day off each morning.

Trite and utterly devoid of meaning.
Clearly it does have meaning, or you wouldn't be so upset. This man's lonely death is a warning to all Irish people who would put their trust in the English régime and their local running dogs. Better to stay in the bosom of your own people and to fight for them.
 

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Sums up the British .. Get a man to turn on his own .. Then when he's no more use ... Leave him penniless to die alone ....

Wonder what John Bruton and all the other Brits in Fine Gael make of this ?


Brexit, is the thanks all Irish ass kissers of UK got, '' we are leaving and thanks for all the fish''
 

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Is the other "Gilmore" still living?

Gone very quiet now I suppose spending that golden pension.
 
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Clearly it does have meaning, or you wouldn't be so upset. This man's lonely death is a warning to all Irish people who would put their trust in the English régime and their local running dogs. Better to stay in the bosom of your own people and to fight for them.
Where the hell do you derive the conclusion that I am in any way upset? Everything else that follows from your ridiculous assumption is thereby false.
 

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I think several points are being missed on here. Gilmour was never an IRA "volunteer", who was turned, or someone who had a spectacular change of heart.

His mother was mentally ill and his father was an alcoholic. He stated that his father made him and his two sisters drink his piss when he was at his most violent and disturbed. Gilmours older brother would return from school and throw his coat down, demanding Gilmour "eat it". There was nothing else to eat in the house.

Gilmour became a petty criminal and when picked up by the RUC for burglary was advised to join not the Provos - they wouldnt have him - but INLA. He went on to betray everyone he was associated with in that group.

That is what Graham Green, the novelist and old M16 hand, called the "human factor". Look at who you are dealing with. They are only as good as they are.

Pitiful and sordid. Not Gilmour, exactly - the whole policy.
It's not nearly as sordid and pitiful as spending 35 years bombing, mutilating and killing for no achievable end. We'll never know how many lives were saved by the intelligence Gilmore provided, but we can be certain the no lives were ever saved by the existence and activities of the Provos and other similarly deranged groups.
 

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we can be certain the no lives were ever saved by the existence and activities of the Provos
Not true. Every action to speed up the dissolution of the English régime and the so called "United Kingdom" saves lives, and not just in Ireland.
 

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It's not nearly as sordid and pitiful as spending 35 years bombing, mutilating and killing for no achievable end. We'll never know how many lives were saved by the intelligence Gilmore provided, but we can be certain the no lives were ever saved by the existence and activities of the Provos and other similarly deranged groups.

We will never know because there werent any.

Gilmour made it all up.

With a lot of assistance from the RUC.
 

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You lost. Face up to it. No one likes you or sf/ira. No one wants a UI.
Helpfully I can disprove that in one sentence.

I like both Sinn Féin and the IRA, and I want a UI.
 

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We will never know because there werent any.

Gilmour made it all up.

With a lot of assistance from the RUC.
He wasn't infiltrated into the INLA and kept there for all those years for nothing, you'd have to be extremely deluded to think so. If he wasn't bringing back the goods then they would have simply dropped him as an asset, it wouldn't have been worth the time, effort and risk of running him.
 


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