Support from TDs and ministers for selfish NIMBY planning objections must be ended

Patslatt1

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The ending of the dual mandate was supposed to prevent TDs from involvement in councillors' business. However, when constituents in upmarket areas make selfish NIMBY objections to planning applications for housing and other facilities, it seems TDs and ministers feel compelled to support the objections. For instance, The Times of London Irish edition July 6th article "Lidl wins approval for store despite upmarket protests" mentioned objections by Taoiseach Leo Varadkar, Joan Burton and a Fianna Fail TD, three of the four West Dublin constituency TDs.

Varadkar and Burton surely know that such objections by TDs contribute to the housing crisis and provision of necessary facilities, so their objections are hypocritical.

While the political necessity to keep voter loyalty pressures TDs to support objections, the dual mandate law could be amended so that objections to planning applications must be addressed to councillors instead of TDs. That amendment is needed to resolve the housing shortage and prevent housing misery for up to half of the population.
 
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I think our whole planning system needs to be ripped up and started from scratch!

I'm seeing building starting again, but in areas that can't sustain the extra load.
Many houses are now being built in Dodsboro, on a road that already suffers from feeding onto the M4 and the regularly congested Lucan village. But our planners seem not to give shiittee.
Luckily for me it's not a road I use very often, but it is still stupid planning! And similar stupid planning is echoed across the country!
 

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Councils and planners are causing this housing crisis. Developers want to build houses but Council don't alow them:

"An Bord Pleanála has given the green light to developer Gerry Gannon for a €60m housing development at Belcamp on the Malahide Road in north Dublin.

The permission will allow Gannon Properties Ltd to construct 165 homes, a café and childcare facility on lands at Belcamp Hall.

The Gannon firm has sought permission for 263 residential units but the number to get the go-ahead was cut by the council and now An Bord Pleanála"
 

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In many cases, those shouting about NIMBYism, rarely have sh1t objectionable built in THEIR back gardens. Instead of shouting about NIMBYs, lobby to have the sh1t developed in your backyard. If it's so great, you take it.
 

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Councils and planners are causing this housing crisis. Developers want to build houses but Council don't alow them:

"An Bord Pleanála has given the green light to developer Gerry Gannon for a €60m housing development at Belcamp on the Malahide Road in north Dublin.

The permission will allow Gannon Properties Ltd to construct 165 homes, a café and childcare facility on lands at Belcamp Hall.

The Gannon firm has sought permission for 263 residential units but the number to get the go-ahead was cut by the council and now An Bord Pleanála"

Developers want to build profitable boxes wherever people will pay top dollar based on a crisis of supply caused by the governments policies in property tax, rent allowance and housing assistance programme.

Planners need to look 10, 20, 30 years into the future in terms of amenities, services, residential/employment mix, etc...and then apply government policy.

I think you're 100% incorrect blaming the planners and councils for this.
 
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Dublin City Council refused permission for a high rise building beside Tara st station. DCC's own development plan and the Local Area Plan had made provision for an even taller building on site. A development team met with the council 13 times to thrash out an acceptable design for the tower, all good, they apply for planning, and are flat out refused. The reason given because it would 'be visable from the north strand and would cause serious visual harm'.

The message is clear, denser building is out, sprawl is in.
 

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Developers want to build profitable boxes wherever people will pay top dollar based on a crisis of supply caused by the governments policies in property tax, rent allowance and housing assistance programme.

Planners need to look 10, 20, 30 years into the future in terms of amenities, services, residential/employment mix, etc...and ten apply government policy.

I think you're 100% incorrect blaming the planners and councils for this.
Cities all around the world can build high density or semi-high density and this is OK. In Dublin, despite the housing crisis, homelessness, rapid decline in housing affordability and despite government assurances it does everything it can to fix the housing mess in the country, the high density is still not acceptable.

Look at some cities with cultural heritage buildings surrounded by super modern high rise. These heritage buildings fit very nicely between new builds, the contrast should be used as an advantage and not a threat.
 

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Its the councillors who seem to be the biggest problem. Ironic really that in the 1970's they'd vote to approve anything and now they'll approve nothing. Johnny Ronan has been working on a high rise development in an area of Dublin zoned for high rise. His people met with the council officials 13 times to amend their plans to meet council concerns. But then the council voted this week against the development.

Effing Georgian Dublin (or rather the people who think we still live in the 18th century) is the biggest curse around the city's neck. It's a pity Neil Blaney didn't demolish the lot when he had the chance.
 

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It's not black or white. Each case should be taken on its merits. Given the housing crisis, there's no doubt developers will try it on to maximise their profit. The crisis will eventually be solved, but we'll be stuck with all crappy developments. Neither can you stop TDs from commenting. Nimby, seat-minding TDs should be highlighted though (eg Shane Ross, Clare Daly) and ridiculed every time they claim to have the national interest at heart.

Effing Georgian Dublin (or rather the people who think we still live in the 18th century) is the biggest curse around the city's neck. It's a pity Neil Blaney didn't demolish the lot when he had the chance.
We need a debate on that. I see no issue with high rise, next to Georgian areas. If anything the juxtaposition of old and new could be attractive (if that doesn't sound too much like architect speak).
 

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Here's the Hearst Building on 5th Avenue in Manhattan. They maintained the historic facade at street level and put a modern, energy efficient building on top. Try doing that on Harcourt Street or Henrietta Street. The preservation fascists would prefer to see the derelict ruins crumble to the ground.

 

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Here's the Hearst Building on 5th Avenue in Manhattan. They maintained the historic facade at street level and put a modern, energy efficient building on top. Try doing that on Harcourt Street or Henrietta Street. The preservation fascists would prefer to see the derelict ruins crumble to the ground.

Horrible.
 

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NIMBYism is good.

We need more NIMBYism, not less.
 

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Who's the most powerful person in Dublin?

Green Party Councillor Ciaran Cuffe must be a contender. He chairs the Transport Committee and seems to direct Building policy as well.

Ciarán Cuffe: Why extending 30km/h speed limit zones in Dublin will save lives

In his report to councillors council chief executive Owen Keegan said the development plan should allow "flexibility" in terms of density and height in "highly accessible parts of the city", given planned improvements in public transport.

However a motion by Green Party Cllr Ciaran Cuffe, amended by Independent Cllr Mannix Flynn to remove all reference to flexibilty in the draft plan, was passed by councillors.
Dublin councillors vote to remove 'flexibility' over building height
 

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Here's the Hearst Building on 5th Avenue in Manhattan. They maintained the historic facade at street level and put a modern, energy efficient building on top. Try doing that on Harcourt Street or Henrietta Street. The preservation fascists would prefer to see the derelict ruins crumble to the ground.
But, that's not even the issue. There's no question of building on top of Georgian Dublin, merely preserving facades. What the skyline protectors are fretting about are views of said Georgian structures, with high-rise in the background. To me, that is excessive.
 

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I think they have a point. We need to restore the original integrity of Georgian Dubln. So let's remove the central heating, the electricity, the indoor plumbing, the indoor lavatories etc etc. I'm sure the Norris types will love living the authenticity.
 

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I think they have a point. We need to restore the original integrity of Georgian Dubln. So let's remove the central heating, the electricity, the indoor plumbing, the indoor lavatories etc etc. I'm sure the Norris types will love living the authenticity.
Can we have servants too?

Because Paul Murphy would make an excellent butler and Ruth Coppinger would look lovely in an French maid's uniform - assuming that they come in XXL.
 

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I think our whole planning system needs to be ripped up and started from scratch!

I'm seeing building starting again, but in areas that can't sustain the extra load.
Councils and planners are causing this housing crisis. Developers want to build houses but Council don't alow them:
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And there's the problem. One persons idea of good planning isn't the same as another's.

Generally, the planners are right in the restrictions that they want to apply, but the will of the people pushes back (aka pressure from public+developers > politicians > planners), and the compromise is a dogs dinner.
 

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Scandalous that we dont have high rise in Dublin City Centre.

As a matter of interest who owns the space over penthouse apartments ?
 

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Scandalous that we dont have high rise in Dublin City Centre.

As a matter of interest who owns the space over penthouse apartments ?
God.
 


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