Surely Lenihan has to be replaced

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Listening to MI on way to work this morning - seems MfF fe*ked up again, and assumptions and tolerances in last "defining" statement on the state of the nation's finances were woefully off the mark again, as demonstrated by the Opposition's reaction to the briefing by the DoF on the budget.

It seems that FF's desire for consensus was more about getting Lab/FG to have to tell us we're worse off than doing it themselves - Noonan was the first one I heard saying €7.5bn - what a stroke.

Anyway - surely even the most ardent Lenihan devotees must see now that he's out of his depth and hasn't yet learned that just wishing for something doesn't make it happen. His constant mis-reading of the signs and his misinformation to us and to the markets is a real theat, so surely he needs to go.
 


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Telling us all this day one would have resulted in the collapse of the economy and the country within two weeks.
The guarantee scheme prevented the initial implosion, while the later dribbles told people - by their nature - that there was more to come.
Anyone with a brain could see we weren't being told everything.
I have news for you DD - we're still not being told everything.

Had anyone else been Finance Minister, I think the mixture of pity and anger would have exploded in his face.
Brian Lenihan's son, disgracefully treated by Haughey, had a wellspring of support to draw on to get him and us to where he is now - still standing.
Lack-lustre leaders like Kenny can only dream about this kind of support and persons who mouth empty rhetoric without a Plan will not garner it or hold it for long if they do.

And before you think I'm taking a cheap shot at Enda, I'm not - I happen to think he's one of the good guys, but to lead a country you need to be a great guy and a bit Machievellian to boot and we have non-existence of people like that at the moment.
Blubber lips cannot communicate, the Labour man fronts for a party motoring forward as "the best alternative", middle class nits espousing a worker's rhetoric, Adams et al seem to have no economic policies with any credibility and the Greens have only limited competence on green matters.

None of them are even calling for the banks to start lending again aftre being bailed out and this lack of credit is crippling our recovering.
None of them are targetting government departments for not spending their capital budgets this year.
That's not a credible opposition, that's a shower of supine *ankers not doing their job.

If OTOH you think Lenihan should be replaced from within the ranks of Fianna Fáil, well I'm sorry, but I don't think much of the alternatives there either.
Not for something like this, not in terms of choosing someone who could actually make a difference.
 
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All these lies were getting Fianna FAIL through the year and closer to 2012.

Irish people are politically illiterate.

Most will only react if social welfare & childrens allowances are cut.

The PS had wages cut by 10% + and barely a word. What after the next 10% cut?
 

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It's pretty obvious that FF have been lying every step of the way. All BS to buy themselves more time and make people believe that things are under control.
It's almost like when Garret's first government took office in 1981 and was told by the DoF that there was only enough money left to pay public servants for another few weeks. FF had been disguising the full extent of the horror very succesfully.
Same strategy is in play now.
 

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Telling us all this day one would have resulted in the collapse of the economy and the country within two weeks.
At least you admit that the man is a liar. Wonder where he got that from? They say the apple doesnt fall far from the tree.
 

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They all have to be replaced and that includes the opposition too.
You said it a chara. Both of them are nothing but sockpuppets for the landowners and their bankers.
 

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Listening to MI on way to work this morning - seems MfF fe*ked up again, and assumptions and tolerances in last "defining" statement on the state of the nation's finances were woefully off the mark again, as demonstrated by the Opposition's reaction to the briefing by the DoF on the budget.
They obviously had you in mind when they said, "a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing".

This year's numbers are pretty much exactly on track. What may make the adjustment in later years larger that expected would be lower than expected economic growth and that depends on world economic growth, something, which is outside the DoF's control.
All estimates of world growth have been lowered recently and will change again, every 3 months or so, that is the nature of estimates.

The "nations" finances are exactly on track, as projected last December by the DoF, more than that they cannot do.
 

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At least you admit that the man is a liar. Wonder where he got that from? They say the apple doesnt fall far from the tree.
Was watching Irelands Greatest last night and they played a clip of the Presidential Election when Lenihan Senior denied, despite being caught on tape, making a phone call to the aras.

He turned to face the camera directly and blatantly lied to the Irish people.

The son would,nt know the truth if it whacked him on the A rse with a banjo.
 

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All these lies were getting Fianna FAIL through the year and closer to 2012.

Irish people are politically illiterate.

Most will only react if social welfare & childrens allowances are cut.

The PS had wages cut by 10% + and barely a word. What after the next 10% cut?
Em... did you intentionally forget private sector workers who actually are the economy?
 

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I don't believe that Brian Lenihan is lying, it's just that he is totally out of his depth. he's like a rabbit caught in the headlights. David McWilliams exposed him for the man he is with his damning description of his late night visit to him. Fortunately for lenihan, his boss has zero charisma and as such lenihan looks, and more importantly sounds, like someone who has a grasp of his brief. He also has a large number of cheerleaders in the media who are prepared to ignore the substance of what he says in favour of how he says it. Just last week that fossil Bill Cullen was extolling his virtues but was tripped up when it was pointed out that his projections and forecasts were all so blatantly wrong. Bill then blamed the advice Lenihan was getting seemingly forgetting that it's Lenihans job to sift the various bits of information that he gets.
 

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Wanna see a barefaced liar (lawyer) in action .
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1_baJ35jco]YouTube - Brian Lenihan on Prime Time[/ame]
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Telling us all this day one would have resulted in the collapse of the economy and the country within two weeks....

I think ONQ forgot the normal preface "I don't support FF, but..." :D
 

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They obviously had you in mind when they said, "a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing".

This year's numbers are pretty much exactly on track. What may make the adjustment in later years larger that expected would be lower than expected economic growth and that depends on world economic growth, something, which is outside the DoF's control.
All estimates of world growth have been lowered recently and will change again, every 3 months or so, that is the nature of estimates.

The "nations" finances are exactly on track, as projected last December by the DoF, more than that they cannot do.
How excatly will world growth help Ireland ?
 

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Exports?

As a former president of the USA might have said, almost 100% of our exports are sold to other countries you know.
Its a serious question . Besides Multinationals , what does Ireland export ? Which export industry or industries will take unemployment down to 5 % or so ?
 

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Telling us all this day one would have resulted in the collapse of the economy and the country within two weeks.
The guarantee scheme prevented the initial implosion, while the later dribbles told people - by their nature - that there was more to come.
Anyone with a brain could see we weren't being told everything.
I have news for you DD - we're still not being told everything.

Had anyone else been Finance Minister, I think the mixture of pity and anger would have exploded in his face.
Brian Lenihan's son, disgracefully treated by Haughey, had a wellspring of support to draw on to get him and us to where he is now - still standing.
Lack-lustre leaders like Kenny can only dream about this kind of support and persons who mouth empty rhetoric without a Plan will not garner it or hold it for long if they do.

And before you think I'm taking a cheap shot at Enda, I'm not - I happen to think he's one of the good guys, but to lead a country you need to be a great guy and a bit Machievellian to boot and we have non-existence of people like that at the moment.
Blubber lips cannot communicate, the Labour man fronts for a party motoring forward as "the best alternative", middle class nits espousing a worker's rhetoric, Adams et al seem to have no economic policies with any credibility and the Greens have only limited competence on green matters.

None of them are even calling for the banks to start lending again aftre being bailed out and this lack of credit is crippling our recovering.
None of them are targetting government departments for not spending their capital budgets this year.
That's not a credible opposition, that's a shower of supine *ankers not doing their job.

If OTOH you think Lenihan should be replaced from within the ranks of Fianna Fáil, well I'm sorry, but I don't think much of the alternatives there either.
Not for something like this, not in terms of choosing someone who could actually make a difference.
The dreadful guarantee was over two years ago - there has been plenty of time to face up to this since then, but at every turn Lenihan has half-solved, half-buried the problem, so that now we have the opposition coming in to tell us we need to make severe cuts and tax hikes. The problem with Ireland is that after decades of being lied to by FF we still try to believe them and almost accept it when they lie.
 

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They obviously had you in mind when they said, "a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing".

This year's numbers are pretty much exactly on track. What may make the adjustment in later years larger that expected would be lower than expected economic growth and that depends on world economic growth, something, which is outside the DoF's control.
All estimates of world growth have been lowered recently and will change again, every 3 months or so, that is the nature of estimates.

The "nations" finances are exactly on track, as projected last December by the DoF, more than that they cannot do.
You are such a complete w@nker.

The DoF made assumptions that proved to be to be false, no tolerance built into the estimates, not contingency, and sold us the best case scenario as if it was fact. If a business did that it would fail, so estimates need to be conservative and include a buffer.
Now as a result of poor growth (and what did the Gov expect when they continue to make this country uncompetitive) and extra borrowing we're actually €2bn OFF track.
 


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