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Suspected Nazi guard's deportation halted


Mr Crowley

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An 89-year-old man accused of being a Nazi death camp guard has had his deportation from the US to Germany halted.

John Demjanjuk, a native of Ukraine, is accused of leading Jews to the gas chambers at the Sobibor death camp in German-occupied Poland in 1943 where 29,000 people perished.

He has previously been tried in Israel after accusations surfaced that he was the notorious Nazi guard "Ivan the Terrible" in Poland at the Treblinka death camp.

Demjanjuk was found guilty in 1988 of war crimes and crimes against humanity, a conviction later overturned by the Israeli Supreme Court.

On Tuesday evening he was released from custody just hours after six immigration officers removed him in a wheelchair from his suburban home in Cleveland, Ohio, to a federal building in the city.

But, a three-judge panel of the 6th US Circuit Court of Appeals granted a stay of deportation saying it will mull Demjanjuk's motion to reopen the US case as he claims painful medical ailments would make travel to Germany torturous.

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Demjanjuk, his wife and their child arrived in New York aboard the USS General W. G. Haan on February 9, 1952. On November 14, 1958, Demjanjuk became a naturalized citizen of the United States.

Given that Demjanjuk arrived in the USA aboard a Naval vessel it is likely that he was one of the many war criminal beneficiaries of 'project paperclip'; possibly due to his Red Army history.

This could have much to do with the way in which he has managed to evade justice for so long and will most likely die a free man.
 

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What is it with judges and deportations? :roll:
 
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Well, if he was involved in Project Paper Clip, he's most likely an evil b@stard who had applied his experience gained with the Nazis to his work for Uncle Sam.
 

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Well, if he was involved in Project Paper Clip, he's most likely an evil b@stard who had applied his experience gained with the Nazis to his work for Uncle Sam.
Indeed and that would explain why he has been protected from justice for so long in contrast to former British and American War Criminal employees like Klaus Barbie.
 

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Surely by this stage they would leave him alone.

After all if the Israelis found him innocent is that not good enough?

At worst he was a lowly camp guard - nothing to be proud of I'm sure

or are their more serious charges that could possibly be proven against him at this stage?

Surely not eye witness testimony?
 

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He was accused of operating diesel engines that fuelled gas chambers; he was certainly an SS camp guard who had volunteered as a Red Army prisoner. There was probably much more to him than meets the eye.

Eyewitness, photocraphic and documentary evidence was presented at his 1988 trial. This included the testimony of fellow SS men.
 

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The Israelis did not find him innocent. They convicted him and sentenced him to death in 1988 based on identification evidence from the Soviet Union and eyewitness testimony from camp survivors.

That verdict and sentence were overturned by Israeli Supreme Court in 1993 after new evidence from former Soviet Union cast doubt on whether he was Ivan the Terrible, notorious guard at Treblinka death camp in Poland. KGB and other files identified that Ivan as another man.

Israelis sent him back to States where US investigations continued. Now the Germans say he was a guard at Sobibor camp, also in Poland. It is their right to try him.

There should be no statute of limitations on mass murder and genocide. If Nazi war criminals can still be tracked down, then they should be brought to trial - whatever their age.
 

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He was accused of operating diesel engines that fuelled gas chambers; he was certainly an SS camp guard who had volunteered as a Red Army prisoner. There was probably much more to him than meets the eye.

Eyewitness, photocraphic and documentary evidence was presented at his 1988 trial. This included the testimony of fellow SS men.
How anyone could be convicted of anything at least 64 years after the event is beyond me though.

Also he was in a pretty dodgy situation there if true as a lot of the people who helped Gas the Jews were eliminated after a while to destroy eyewitnesses.

He volunteered for what exactly - duty as a Camp Guard?
 

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How anyone could be convicted of anything at least 64 years after the event is beyond me though.

Also he was in a pretty dodgy situation there if true as a lot of the people who helped Gas the Jews were eliminated after a while to destroy eyewitnesses.

He volunteered for what exactly - duty as a Camp Guard?
He volunteered for the SS, he admits to a scar being from his blood group tatoo being removed.

The Americans who detained him after the war knew he was SS and a Ukranian. They chose to harbour and naturalise him rather than repatriate. I think the issue here is the fact that he was allowed to evade justice for so long. He must have had something to offer in return.
 

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He volunteered for the SS, he admits to a scar being from his blood group tatoo being removed.

The Americans who detained him after the war knew he was SS and a Ukranian. They chose to harbour and naturalise him rather than repatriate. I think the issue here is the fact that he was allowed to evade justice for so long. He must have had something to offer in return.
After the War it was common practise for ex SS to have their tatoos removed to avoid detection.
 

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After the War it was common practise for ex SS to have their tatoos removed to avoid detection.
By the looks of things you would have been happy to see them all get the RUC treatment and live happily ever after; bygones be bygones and all that craic.
 

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Quite amazingly audacious that the Krauts are trying this guy. The voted themselves an amnesty in 1969 and are now trying this 89 year old slav POW who decided not to be a slave labourer for a few weeks and then die and who is now dying the old fashioned way.

The trial is being held in Bavaria of all places.
 

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By the looks of things you would have been happy to see them all get the RUC treatment and live happily ever after; bygones be bygones and all that craic.
By the looks of what?

Calling for a person to get a fair Trial is hardly a Crime is it?

Anyway this dude is so old he aint going to Prison anyway...

in all probablity if he did do these things it was under coercion and if he says that I reckon he would be off the hook.

Loads of innocent Germans died in WWII at hands of the Soviets & their allies , millions were expelled from their Ancestral Lands and many were murdered and raped along the way.

+ some 600,000 German men women and children were killed in the Allied Bombing Raids.

-were any of these people ever put on Trial?
 

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By the looks of what?

Calling for a person to get a fair Trial is hardly a Crime is it?

Anyway this dude is so old he aint going to Prison anyway...

in all probablity if he did do these things it was under coercion and if he says that I reckon he would be off the hook.

Loads of innocent Germans died in WWII at hands of the Soviets & their allies , millions were expelled from their Ancestral Lands and many were murdered and raped along the way.

+ some 600,000 German men women and children were killed in the Allied Bombing Raids.

-were any of these people ever put on Trial?
Of course they weren't and the German civilian areas were deliberately targetted at the warmonger Churchill's instruction. I am well aware of the reciprocal atrocities committed by the Red Army also.
However, the SS was a voluntary organisation and it had volunteers from many nations including Ireland. Most were members of the Waffen SS whereas yer man here was Totemkompf.
The issue for me isn't really about punishing him at this point; it's about questioning the fact that he was brought to America on a military vessel and protected for decades.
 

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So the Germans want him.

Israel overturned his conviction, and now the US is blocking his extradition... hmmm

US is a good friend of Israel no?

Story here somewhere.
 
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