Suspended welcome for Syrian refugees to the USA

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One of tRump's campaign slogans was no more Muslims. Anyhows, Syrian refugees must all be jihadi terrorists, without exception, so it's easiest to ban the lot.

Vetting, yes, I go along with that, and the ban is for 4 months (until they can figure out how to profit from them?). To make it fair, all immigrants have been suspended for now.

Some Arab-origin immigrants have been very good for the US - like Steve Jobs. The US is created from immigrants - not least a large chunk of our cousins.


Trump suspends US refugee programme and bans Syrians indefinitely - BBC News


Mr Trump said the measures were part of new measures to "keep radical Islamic terrorists out of the US".
Rights groups have condemned the move, saying there is no link between Syrian refugees in the US and terrorism.
Under Mr Trump's wide-ranging executive order, all refugee admissions have been suspended for four months.
Mr Trump signed the order at the Pentagon after a ceremony to swear in Gen James Mattis as defence secretary.
 


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Like him or loathe him, he's holding up his end of the bargain re election promises, no wonder there are so many people rattled as voters across the western world are losing their faith in the usual suspects. Only time will tell whether this will be for the better or for the worse but elections often throw up divorces.
 

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Do you think when he decided to shut the door to refugees fleeing war, he intended this to coincide with Holocaust Memorial Day?
 

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One of tRump's campaign slogans was no more Muslims. Anyhows, Syrian refugees must all be jihadi terrorists, without exception, so it's easiest to ban the lot.

Vetting, yes, I go along with that, and the ban is for 4 months (until they can figure out how to profit from them?). To make it fair, all immigrants have been suspended for now.

Some Arab-origin immigrants have been very good for the US - like Steve Jobs. The US is created from immigrants - not least a large chunk of our cousins.


Trump suspends US refugee programme and bans Syrians indefinitely - BBC News


Mr Trump said the measures were part of new measures to "keep radical Islamic terrorists out of the US".
Rights groups have condemned the move, saying there is no link between Syrian refugees in the US and terrorism.
Under Mr Trump's wide-ranging executive order, all refugee admissions have been suspended for four months.
Mr Trump signed the order at the Pentagon after a ceremony to swear in Gen James Mattis as defence secretary.
Steve Jobs is it? The great Apple orchard where the use slave labour to make overpriced stuff. Sure don't they have Bill Gates?
 

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Announcing his “extreme vetting” plan, the president invoked the specter of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Most of the 19 hijackers on the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Shanksville, Pa., were from Saudi Arabia. The rest were from the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Lebanon. None of those countries are on Mr. Trump’s visa ban list.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/politics/trump-syrian-refugees.html

I'm in favour of extreme vetting.
Europeans are dying because Merkel allowed all & sundry in.

But to not include any of the countries associated with the 9/11 hijackers on the list simply makes it look political or nonsensical.
 
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Do you think when he decided to shut the door to refugees fleeing war, he intended this to coincide with Holocaust Memorial Day?
What finer day to stomp on the spreading of antisemitism? You could also throw the door wide open and then ask the Jewish people to not attend at the Kristallnacht memorial event for safety considerations, like those other guys.
 

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Ive seen reports that the ban even covers people already enroute to the US with issued visas and permits. People have been deported after arriving in the US after midnight.
 

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What finer day to stomp on the spreading of antisemitism?
You don't lessen prejudice against Jews by stoking prejudice against Muslims. There isn't some sort of bigotry balance one must maintain.
 

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You don't lessen prejudice against Jews by stoking prejudice against Muslims. There isn't some sort of bigotry balance one must maintain.
I don't think it is 'an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason' to say that when you import a number of persons who are Muslims you are also extremely likely to import attitudes towards the Jewish that would be illegal if expressed in Germany.

Swedish language class teacher in Holocaust row - The Local

This whole giving benefit of the doubt for an individual gets a bit problematic when you are talking of thousands of individuals from a particular population. You bring in a thousand from among a people where x percent would be polled to be antisemitists, it's not prejudicial to assume that the number of 10x of those persons would be antisemitists.
 

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I don't think it is 'an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason' to say that when you import a number of persons who are Muslims you are also extremely likely to import attitudes towards the Jewish that would be illegal if expressed in Germany.
That is literally an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

In fact, it would be difficult to think of a better example of an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.




But Mike Pence tells us that life is winning, so I guess that makes it okay for people to die because they have the wrong religion.
 

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In fairness this is in line with foreign policy.

All Moslem immigrants are terrorists as are all Mislem non imigrants and so refuse them and bomb them in their homes. If they get to mingle with christians it's more difficult to target them.
 

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That is literally an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

In fact, it would be difficult to think of a better example of an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.




But Mike Pence tells us that life is winning, so I guess that makes it okay for people to die because they have the wrong religion.
And here I was thinking it was a reasonable projection based on pre-existing knowledge.

But, the former President found it difficult to think what's it about when someone murders workmates in a Christmas party yelling "Allah Akbar!", in post 9/11 America no less, and here we are now. The good thing about democracy is that it encourages trying to think real hard.
 
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Margaret Thatcher has signed an order, banning all Irish people from entering the UK, including Northern Ireland.

"We must protect ourselves from these Irish terrorists...if we eventually let any in, priority will be given to Protestants, over Catholics", she said, to applause from supporters.
 


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