Sweden Prepares For War

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Towns in Sweden are being told to prepare for the event of war. The last time the Swedish military prepared like this was during the cold war. According to Jonas Hult, the head of Safety and Security for the city of Malmö, towns and villages are being asked to distribute protective masks, vaccines, an petrol, and how to direct people to bunkers and shelters in the event of an attack.
Although this level of preparation is not new as it was used during the Cold War, according to a Swedish statement, “What is new is that the security situation in our neighbourhood has worsened, and that we must therefore make preparations regarding the threat of war and conflict.”

Will other countries do likewise? Does Ireland have such a plan, or will we even need one?

2017 will be a very uncertain year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/15/swedish-towns-told-make-preparations-regarding-threat-war-conflict/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sweden-is-preparing-for-a-possible-war-a7476316.html
 


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They have no choice given the submarine incident and the Russian aerial incursions around Gotland. Im satisfied given Sweden has no territorial claims on other countries that this is purely a defensive posture.

Its possible Trumps pro Russian stance will halt the NATO buildup in Europe. If so Europe will have to fend for itself.
 

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Those iodine tablets.......now where did I leave them.
 
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Gotland is very exposed and if the Russians controlled it, they'd dominate the Baltic Sea.

 

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Gotland is very exposed and if the Russians controlled it, they'd dominate the Baltic Sea.

Gazprom has been seeking a lease on two harbours on the island - ostensibly for the Nordstream 2 pipeline. The Swedish govt has intervened to try to block the deal.

Ukraine and Georgia know well from experience that where Russia is concerned, todays leases are tomorrows annexations.
 

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They have no choice given the submarine incident and the Russian aerial incursions around Gotland. Im satisfied given Sweden has no territorial claims on other countries that this is purely a defensive posture.

Its possible Trumps pro Russian stance will halt the NATO buildup in Europe. If so Europe will have to fend for itself.
The submarine thing was probably fiction. In the 80's there was a similar 'Soviet sub' scare in Sweden which turned out to be US subs painted for the occasion. In the latest 'sub scare' no actual Russian subs have been spotted.

They call it 'fake news' in other countries.
 

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The submarine thing was probably fiction. In the 80's there was a similar 'Soviet sub' scare in Sweden which turned out to be US subs painted for the occasion. In the latest 'sub scare' no actual Russian subs have been spotted.

They call it 'fake news' in other countries.
Do you have a MSM source for that claim?
 

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Towns in Sweden are being told to prepare for the event of war. The last time the Swedish military prepared like this was during the cold war. According to Jonas Hult, the head of Safety and Security for the city of Malmö, towns and villages are being asked to distribute protective masks, vaccines, an petrol, and how to direct people to bunkers and shelters in the event of an attack.
Although this level of preparation is not new as it was used during the Cold War, according to a Swedish statement, “What is new is that the security situation in our neighbourhood has worsened, and that we must therefore make preparations regarding the threat of war and conflict.”

Will other countries do likewise? Does Ireland have such a plan, or will we even need one?

2017 will be a very uncertain year.

Swedish towns told to 'make preparations regarding the threat of war and conflict' with Russia 

Swedish authorities told to prepare 'in terms of war' amid Russia tensions | The Independent
Sweden and Finland sit between east and west and are long prepared for hostilities not least of which is keeping a well armed deterrent on standby, You might call it proactive neutrality. Other than trying to rid itself of the Brits Ireland has not been involved in a war and would hardly know where to start preparing for one.
 

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Sweden and Finland sit between east and west and are long prepared for hostilities not least of which is keeping a well armed deterrent on standby, You might call it proactive neutrality. Other than trying to rid itself of the Brits Ireland has not been involved in a war and would hardly know where to start preparing for one.
Sweden have not gotten to this level of readiness since the Cold War. This will be a major strain on local authorities over there. With things escalating faster each month it seems prudent to have at least some sort of National plan ready.
Sweden is even going to introduce conscription in 2018. They must think there will be a need for this.
 

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Sweden have not gotten to this level of readiness since the Cold War. This will be a major strain on local authorities over there. With things escalating faster each month it seems prudent to have at least some sort of National plan ready.
Sweden is even going to introduce conscription in 2018. They must think there will be a need for this.
This should be seen in the light of a national political campaign to join NATO. There are major interest groups (ie. arms industry) who want that to happen.
 

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How's your Swedish? De döljer sanningen om ubåtsjakten | Debatt | Expressen

Looking for Russian subs is a national sport in Sweden called ubåtsjakter. The fact that after over 50 years of looking they've never found one doesn't put them off. Its like how the Scots keep looking for Nessy.
Its actually completely untrue that theyve never found one. There was a serious incident in the 1981 where Soviet submarine U137 became stranded in Swedish waters. The crew were even detained.

October 27, 1981
The U 137 incident. On the evening of October 28, 1981, a fisherman residing in the eastern part of the Karlskrona archipelago phoned in to the Swedish Coast Guard and reported that a submarine had run aground in Gåsefjärden, 30 km from the town centre of Karlskrona. Originally, it was not taken seriously because of its location, as Gåsefjärden is a very difficult terrain to navigate in, as well as being a "dead end". Nevertheless, the fisherman was right, and the vessel was found to be of Soviet origin. The grounded submarine generated intense media interest, and Swedish military forces were put on high alert following suspicions that the Soviet Union would try to recapture the vessel. After several rounds of interrogation, the conservative/Liberal government led by Thorbjörn Fälldin decided to release both the vessel and its crew. This marked the beginning of the "submarine hunts" (ubåtsjakter), as nicknamed by Swedish media.
 

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I think everyone needs to calm the fúck down :) (in my softest soothing voice)
 

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Its actually completely untrue that theyve never found one. There was a serious incident in the 1981 where Soviet submarine U137 became stranded in Swedish waters
Wasn't there a tracked submersible found in Stockholm harbour, or the tracks of one at least. I think that was in the 70's.
 

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U137

[video=youtube;yJa0YNBYP1g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJa0YNBYP1g[/video]
 

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