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SWP (UK) convenes Kangaroo Court to try one of its own leaders on a rape allegation


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The Socialist Workers Party and the Rape Committee: When organisations become cults « The Not So Big Society

SWP's Tom Walker: Why I am resigning - Communist Party of Great Britain

It seems the UK version of Rich Boy Barrett's outfit is in deep do-do over their "disputes committee" doing an investigation and kangaroo court over one of the organizations leadership being accused by another member of rape. Unsurprisingly, the toy tribunal found their mate on the central committee not guilty (one wonders what in gods name they would have done had they found him guilty - expelled him and called it a day?). This incident was not reported to police, and according to a very senior member who has left over the handling of this issue (second link) there is significant pressure on members not to place their trust in "borgeois institutions" such as police or courts...

Am I way out in thinking that this is cultish and dangerous behaviour? What are the nature of the links between the Irish SWP (/PBP/Enough Campaign/etc, etc) and their UK comrades? Does the Irish iteration also operate such a "disputes committee"? If so, does it deem itself qualified to investigate and rule on criminal matters within its own ranks?
 


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Who funds the SWP ? Who gains the most out of their tactics of hijacking every protest and march and turning them into rent a mob affairs thus neutralising any valid points that the rallies and marches intended to make ? It's a question I've asked since their paper sellers used to try to sell me a copy of the Socialist Worker at 7am every Friday back in the 80's while I was going into work , the seller by the way would then head back to his bed.
This organisation has done more to damage the left wing in the UK than the Tories ever could ! Trojan horse in my opinion.
 

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Who funds the SWP ? Who gains the most out of their tactics of hijacking every protest and march and turning them into rent a mob affairs thus neutralising any valid points that the rallies and marches intended to make ? It's a question I've asked since their paper sellers used to try to sell me a copy of the Socialist Worker at 7am every Friday back in the 80's while I was going into work , the seller by the way would then head back to his bed.
This organisation has done more to damage the left wing in the UK than the Tories ever could ! Trojan horse in my opinion.
The SWP in England is controlled by MI5.
 

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The Socialist Workers Party and the Rape Committee: When organisations become cults « The Not So Big Society

SWP's Tom Walker: Why I am resigning - Communist Party of Great Britain

It seems the UK version of Rich Boy Barrett's outfit is in deep do-do over their "disputes committee" doing an investigation and kangaroo court over one of the organizations leadership being accused by another member of rape. Unsurprisingly, the toy tribunal found their mate on the central committee not guilty (one wonders what in gods name they would have done had they found him guilty - expelled him and called it a day?). This incident was not reported to police, and according to a very senior member who has left over the handling of this issue (second link) there is significant pressure on members not to place their trust in "borgeois institutions" such as police or courts...

Am I way out in thinking that this is cultish and dangerous behaviour? What are the nature of the links between the Irish SWP (/PBP/Enough Campaign/etc, etc) and their UK comrades? Does the Irish iteration also operate such a "disputes committee"? If so, does it deem itself qualified to investigate and rule on criminal matters within its own ranks?
They don't call them the loony left for nothing.
 

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Who funds the SWP ? Who gains the most out of their tactics of hijacking every protest and march and turning them into rent a mob affairs thus neutralising any valid points that the rallies and marches intended to make ? It's a question I've asked since their paper sellers used to try to sell me a copy of the Socialist Worker at 7am every Friday back in the 80's while I was going into work , the seller by the way would then head back to his bed.
This organisation has done more to damage the left wing in the UK than the Tories ever could ! Trojan horse in my opinion.
Hijacking a protest is one thing, although very annoying for those involved I'm sure - hushing up a rape allegation and denying due process is another. I find it incredible that those on the "disputes committee" in this case freely admitted that they where good mates with the accused, and didn't really know the woman in the centre of it at all - how exactly do these people feel competant to investigate and rule upon such a serious allegation, notwithstanding even that they admittedly lack impartiality from the start? Does the SWP feel it is that far above the law?

I hope the UK Police are all over this for obstruction of justice
 

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Irish SWP used to be subordinate to the UK central committee on which it had a representative. Not sure what the relationship is now. Similar to the relationship which the CPI had with the CPGB which was in effect it's controller through people like Greaves.
 

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My understanding of the loonies in the SWP is that the Irish party is little more than a branch of the UK organisation, rather than a separate outfit. I wonder what RBB makes of this carry on?
 

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My understanding of the loonies in the SWP is that the Irish party is little more than a branch of the UK organisation, rather than a separate outfit. I wonder what RBB makes of this carry on?
So does that mean that Irish members could in theory be subject to a similar kangaroo court in the event of a criminal internal dispute? That is outrageous, and the gardai need to be all over this if that's the case
 

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So does that mean that Irish members could in theory be subject to a similar kangaroo court in the event of a criminal internal dispute? That is outrageous, and the a gardai need to be all over this if that's the case
Potentially, yes. The SWP is a very strange organisation, who knows what's on inside
 

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Harrys Place deals with these loonies from time to time.

Harry's Place » The SWP’s “F**k Circuit”

Now, while I do not like vulgar language, what Anna Chen is implying is clear: in order for women to get on in the party they have to have sexual relationships with senior males. She also is emphatic that her complaint against her treatment was not only not taken seriously, it was laughed at. Chen actually goes further than this: she alleges that senior party members are aware of this culture. One wonders whether the so-called Disputes Committee of the SWP investigated Anna Chen’s accusations and, if so, what its findings were.

In my opinion, the SWP is increasingly looking more like a cult than a political party.
Took the blogger long enough to realise that. These so-called " far-Left " organisations have always coalesced around a - usually malevolent and misogyanistic - father figure and their behaviour was/is difficult to differenciate from religious cultists. I doubt if the Irish version is anything other than a very watery version of the London outfit: I can't honestly see RBB sending his females out to do a bbit of horizontal recruiting TBH.
 

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Looks like Jim Corr has joined us.
I presume you are referring to myself - it's not me making these issues up, this comes directly from their own conference. Read the links posted, the story is credible and has landed the UK SWP into absolute crisis
 

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Harrys Place deals with these loonies from time to time.

Harry's Place » The SWP’s “F**k Circuit”



Took the blogger long enough to realise that. These so-called " far-Left " organisations have always coalesced around a - usually malevolent and misogyanistic - father figure and their behaviour was/is difficult to differenciate from religious cultists. I doubt if the Irish version is anything other than a very watery version of the London outfit: I can't honestly see RBB sending his females out to do a bbit of horizontal recruiting TBH.
Nor can I, and neither do I make that claim - there is no evidence to support anything like that. What I am inquiring after is whether the Irish section falls under the juristiction of this disputes committee, and if not whether the Irish SWP has a similar complaints proceedure. If, god forbid, something of a similar seriousness happened in the Irish SWP, would it be hushed up in a similar manner?
 

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I presume you are referring to myself - it's not me making these issues up, this comes directly from their own conference. Read the links posted, the story is credible and has landed the UK SWP into absolute crisis
I have no issue with the OP, lots of "alleged" with little in the way of "findings"

what i do have an issue is your subsequent post. but hey, its a free country and one can say almost anything they like on this site now!

So does that mean that Irish members could in theory be subject to a similar kangaroo court in the event of a criminal internal dispute? That is outrageous, and the gardai need to be all over this if that's the case
 

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I have no issue with the OP, lots of "alleged" with little in the way of "findings"

what i do have an issue is your subsequent post. but hey, its a free country and one can say almost anything they like on this site now!
It was a concerned question based on a previous posters assertion that the Irish SWP falls under the same juristiction as the UK SWP. If you have an issue with the supposed lack of "findings" in the OP, take it up with the SWP - they do not deny that such a tribunal took place

edit: although they do seem keen to expel anyone who talks about it, according to the former Socialist Worker journalist linked
 

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The majority of socialists are childish 18 to 23 year old college kids who later think better of their unrealistic ideals when they got out into the work place and later join mainstream moderate political parties.
Women who join these groups want to combat a male dominated society and are impressed by an older male member with right on feminist attitudes.
The typical older male member of socialist organisations is a slacker type who dresses like a teenager in their mid thirties. He is too immature to get a proper job or form relationships with mature professional women but has the charisma to attract younger women.
He uses his leadership role in the socialist grouping to get access to innocent impressionable young women who become part of his harem.
A jealous enemy - usually a nerdish ideologically pure pedantic or crazy feminist dinosaur - who hates men because none of them want to shag her - with prudish sexual attitudes is always on the look out for a scorned young thing who is feeling betrayed to discover what she thought was love was just a casual shag.
For the libertine in the ranks of extreme marxist groupings - all sex is rape and if a man has multiple sexual partners he is a misogynistic rapist!
 

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On a more general philosophical note, it once again highlights the dangers of totalitarianism. At the end of the day Trotskyist Marxism is just another variant of Stalinism, Maoism, Pol Potism, Kim Il Songism and so on. If people like that were in power everyone would be subject to such arbitary despotism and abuse.
 

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I would be surprised if the victim of the rape attack would be satisfied with a kangaroo court or its judgement. If s/he is they should be condemned for not reporting someone who may well go on to rape other wo/men

It has unpleasant similarities with PIRA 'justice'.
 

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The SWP were always regarded as a cult by most people on the left.

It's had some interesting members over the years from both Hitchens to members of the Stone Roses.
 

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