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Talks on new broad Left party confirmed: Times




cyberianpan

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Richard Boyd Barrett of the People Before Profit Alliance
The egotistical crackpot spoke to some journalist over beer during the "silly season" and we get a story from the IT

Joe Higgins even is skeptical:

"Unless the conditions are correct it would be wrong to launch a new left party"
This story is nothing other than a degenerate, fringe lunatic's hope to take over Ireland's Left.

I don't even recognise the IT journalist - STEVEN CARROLL - is he some deputy-assistant-temporary-acting-locum-summer-student ? He certainly hadn't any reputation to lose by floating this balloon and he certainly ought to never gain any credibility either.

The senior IT political staff need to check their BlackBerries whilst on their 6 week "silly season" leave, else lunatic gibberings like this will end up published.

cYp
 

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With RBB in the leadership and the SWP as the vanguard no doubt. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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The SWP have been peddling this strategy in the UK for some time now. In England they were instrumental in Georgeous George Galloway's vainglorious effort, Respect. After initial limited success in London the Respect organisation has imploded and its elected public representatives have been shredded. In Scotland the SWP were key movers in the Scottish Socialist Party and now in Tommy "three-in-a-bed" Sheridan's Solidarity party. Same story here as well - organisations involving the SWP have fractured and have lost almost all of their public representatives.

Ireland is much less favourable to Trot organisations that Britain. The SWP are so desperate for electoral legitimacy that they will, however, pursue this already twice-failed policy here in Ireland and will inevitably meet with the same results.
 

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Every time I hear the expression broad left I know that those behind it are of a narrow ideological background with little popular appeal. Given even Joe Higgin's scepticism can I presume that the inevitable split that Brendan Behan forecast has happened already?
 

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Dear God!
 

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Funny the way that this comes up every summer ......... couldn't be because there's no real news to report.
 

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Joe Higgins, a former Socialist Party TD, said that for a long time his party has seen a vacuum in the left-wing movement and a need for a new mass workers' party.

However, he said the difficulty lay in how such a grouping would come about and over the past 10 or 15 years conditions for the formation of a new left-wing movement had not been favourable.
I would imagine :roll:
 

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fergalr said:
Joe Higgins, a former Socialist Party TD, said that for a long time his party has seen a vacuum in the left-wing movement and a need for a new mass workers' party.

However, he said the difficulty lay in how such a grouping would come about and over the past 10 or 15 years conditions for the formation of a new left-wing movement had not been favourable.
I would imagine :roll:
Im sure the comrades are creaming themselves dreaming about queues outside the dole offices, tax increases and social discord. Perhaps RBB believes that the revolution is imminent.
 

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Well their "democratic economy" sounds Burmese.
 
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Is this "broad left party" led just by SWP/People Before Profit Alliance or the SWP and the Socialist Party?

Either way, it will implode through bickering and egotistical in-fighting as the SWP seeks to use it simply another recruiting vehicle. And if the Socialist Party is involved, they'll both use it as a recruiting vehicle.
 

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Leveller on the Liffey said:
Is this "broad left party" led just by SWP/People Before Profit Alliance or the SWP and the Socialist Party?

Either way, it will implode through bickering and egotistical in-fighting as the SWP seeks to use it simply another recruiting vehicle. And if the Socialist Party is involved, they'll both use it as a recruiting vehicle.
First off, the PBP = SWP + a few random cranks

It be quite a good idea, if it came to pass. These parties are going nowhere fast, they could at least prove to be a better political force if they had a more coherent voice. They'd get more coverage and with a recession coming, there may be an opening for a (far) Leftist voice and you never know, with the Greens in government, there may be a market for a party appealing to voters looking for a random protest votes a la Boyd-Barrett in 2007.

But I share your pessimism, they really do have a fetish for schisms in these circles....
 
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Anyone who has had even the briefest of connections with the SWP would be skeptical about any proposals for left unity with them. The SWP are not noted for their fraternal activities.
setanta said:
The SWP have been peddling this strategy in the UK for some time now. In England they were instrumental in Georgeous George Galloway's vainglorious effort, Respect. After initial limited success in London the Respect organisation has imploded and its elected public representatives have been shredded.
Prior to this the SWP wrecked the Socialist Alliance. This was initially established by the sister party of the Socialist Party (the Socialist Party of England and Wales) working in conjunction with a number of other left organisations and individuals and, in particularly, with local community campaigns. The SWP initially refused to have anything to do with it. Then seeing some minor successes the SWP jumped straight in and using their superior numbers in England (through their student societies) systematically excluded everyone else from the decision-making bodies. They then proceeded to wreck the Socialist Alliance before moving on to Respect. As setanta has said they did the exact same thing there after bending over backwards to do deals with Islamic mullahs. Respect now lies in tatters - split into two groups and going nowhere.

setanta said:
In Scotland the SWP were key movers in the Scottish Socialist Party
Actually the SWP played absolutely no role in the foundation of the Scottish Socialist Party. The party came out of Scottish Militant Labour (another sister party of the Socialist Party). Again the SWP (small in numbers in Scotland) joined it after it achieved some successes but played a relatively minor role throughout which probably contributed to the success of the SSP over the first few years of its existance.

setanta said:
and now in Tommy "three-in-a-bed" Sheridan's Solidarity party. Same story here as well - organisations involving the SWP have fractured and have lost almost all of their public representatives.
Again they have a slightly bigger role in Solidarity but not a dominant role.

setanta said:
Ireland is much less favourable to Trot organisations that Britain. The SWP are so desperate for electoral legitimacy that they will, however, pursue this already twice-failed policy here in Ireland and will inevitably meet with the same results.
This is true. Their sole objective at this point is to get Boyd Barrett elected in the local elections next year - something which is a possibility.

The Socialist Party does believe there is a need for a new left party in Ireland - but this will not come out of thin air or by amalgamating the small left organisations that exist (particularly if that involves the SWP). A new workers party will emerge only when working class people begin to engage in community campaigns (e.g. against health and education cuts) and industrial action. The key to the building of any new left party is the involvement of people who have not and are not involved in the current left organisations. The creation of some party that at best will amount to a few hundred existing left-wingers will not fill the vacuum that Joe Higgins talks about in his comments.
 

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