Tallaght By The Sea

imokyrok

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With all due respect to Tallaght I think it is fair to say that planners and councillors should have learned many lessons since planning that metropolis- lessons about providing facilities and infrastructure and a decent environment and not just boxes to put as many people as possible in.

But no - they are well on their way to creating Tallaght By The Sea and destroying the whole coastal area of Rush, Lusk, Skerries and Balbriggan. In addition to the existing vast housing estates in the area Rush councillors have voted through permission for another 1000 houses despite the fact that it doesn't have the infrastructure to cope with existing expansion and despite opposition from the majority of Rush residents. Another 1000 houses while existing ones remain unsold and the only improvement to the town (of 8500 residents) carried out in years is the provision of a library which still hasn't opened.

The councillors who pandered to the developers instead of serving their people are as follows:
(Fianna Fail)Daragh Butler, Brenda Clifford, Mags Murray, Margaret Richardson, Eoghan O'Brien. (Green Party) Joe Corr, David Healy, Robbie Kelly. (Fine Gael) Anne Devitt, Alan Farrell, Eithne Loftus, Joan Maher. (Independent) May McKeown. Absent for vote: (Independent)David O'Connor.
The only councillors who actually tried to serve the people who elected them were:
(Labour) Ciaran Byrne, Peter Coyle, Peggy Hamill, Gerry McGuire, Tom Kelleher. (Socialist Party) Clare Daly.

You know what to do with your vote. Power To The People!
 


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im from tallaght and the most depressing thing for me about the celtic tiger was seeing the EXACT same mistakes made there being replicated all over the country.

LE is right.

you can make the exact same claim about lucan, celbridge in kildare, dunshauglin in meath, mullingar , edenderry. the list is endless.

there might be laws that make the developments look a little prettier now than the sheer shameless criminality that was "planning" in tallaght (see brown envelop brigade) but besides adamstown NO new development in the country has had infrastracture put in before the gaffs.

still you get what you vote for, the big three made tallaght what it is so why are you surprised the did the same to the whole country?

its NEVER been about planning, and always been about the money.
 

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eh dunno about the North Fringe... any development inside the M50 or bordering the C ring in the Metropolitan Area as North Fringe does, at higher densities served by rail and QBC - however badly - is better than what we've seen elsewhere - East MEath being the prime example imo. you're right tho LE, it's far far far from perfect and we have spectacularly fcked up during the boom.

Dunno about the developments in question though/ Is it a Local Area plan?
 

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also can we stop using Tallaght and Ballymun as analogies for bad planning. No matter how bad things are we have stopped building vast social housing sink estates like Jobstown and Ballymun. Whether Laytown and Kinnegad et al become ghettoes of the future is open to debate, given the social mix and the level of ennui that is about to hit
 

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The planners learn and propose.
The councillors don't and oppose.
 

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There are now thousands of potential ghettos throughout Ireland, due to pure greed, and bad planning. Pick any county.
 

imokyrok

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where do you mean exactly, what developments

you could call the north fringe the same.
I'm taking about massive housing estates in what were small towns and villages with little or no infrastructure. I'm talking about previous Local Area Plans which promised schools, community centres, sewerage upgrades etc to go with the houses but didn't deliver. I'm talking about a handful of well known developers who get permission to build whatever they want but are somehow exempt from compulsory purchase orders when it comes to land allocated for facilities.

I'm especially disapointed with Joe Corr, a Rush Green councillor who has sold out his community with his vote for another 1000 houses. Incomprehensible!
 

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im from tallaght and the most depressing thing for me about the celtic tiger was seeing the EXACT same mistakes made there being replicated all over the country.

LE is right.

you can make the exact same claim about lucan, celbridge in kildare, dunshauglin in meath, mullingar , edenderry. the list is endless.

there might be laws that make the developments look a little prettier now than the sheer shameless criminality that was "planning" in tallaght (see brown envelop brigade) but besides adamstown NO new development in the country has had infrastracture put in before the gaffs.

still you get what you vote for, the big three made tallaght what it is so why are you surprised the did the same to the whole country?

its NEVER been about planning, and always been about the money.
so will you be voting for Mick Murphy in the locals, the only one who tried to put a stop to all this crazy overdevelopment etc??
 

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you're still waffling
Perhaps you'd be a little more specific about the information you are requesting. I've specified the area and the local objections to the proposals so what's your problem?
 

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Perhaps you'd be a little more specific about the information you are requesting. I've specified the area and the local objections to the proposals so what's your problem?
Are you a qualified town planner?
 

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dunshauglin in meath
As someone who grew up in Tallaght and saw it go from a sleepy country village to the urban mess it now is and who has lived in Dunshaughlin for the last 14 years - to equate the development in both areas is just ridiculous. In fact the rate of development in Dunshaughlin is the quietest in any of the so called commuter towns in Meath/Kildare/Wicklow/Louth etc.
 

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So it make you right and them wrong?
So you think they've been making the right decisions all these years? Have you examples of wonderfully planned large scale development to suggest? Someone mentioned Adamstown. I've never seen it so I can't comment.

And even if the plans were brilliant it makes little difference when the only aspects of them that actually come to fruition are the houses.
 

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Imok who are "they"? The responsibility for zoning does not rest with the planners. btw there are no examples, even Adamstown is going wrong as we head further into the downturn
 

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you're still waffling
If you are not familiar with the specific developments the OP is referring to, then how can you dismiss his/her posts as waffle?

The new town that has sprung up to the Northwest of Balbriggan is already well on the way to becoming a ghetto. Ive heard the daughter of a certain Independent councillor calling this new area "Toytown", due to the pastel coloured rows of apartment blocks that look like they're made from cardboard. They look like a cross between the suburbia depicted in the film "Edward Scissorshands", and a scene from the 80s TV show "Miami Vice".
"Little Lagos" is another name for the area Ive heard mentioned, but thats a separate issue entirely.

Im suprised and a little disapointed to see that May McKeown voted for the Rush development. She has become critical of late of the over-development in Balbriggan. Mere political opportunism it would seem. Of course she was in FF until the last locals, when she failed to be selected by the party; so I shouldnt be too suprised really.

You would think lessons would have been learnt by now. Who may I ask, do they expect will live in these houses?
 
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I was at the rush LAP council meeting and McKeown came across really badly.

Her first comment was to attack the protesters for pointing out the disaster that balbriggan has become with its over development. She then supported the whole LAP and claimed the it was agreat exercise in democracy and that those who support such plans never turn up and all we hear is those against! This is despite the fact that a massive 186 individual written objections were received by the council, and a packed public gallery whereby many people could not get in.
 


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