Taoiseach visits our lads in the EU Army, somewhere in Africa


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Not sure it is a good idea to send a politician who is also a medical doctor out there. 'While you are here, Taoiseach, I'm sure I've a bit of whiplash from the landing in the airplane and in fairness should I be carrying this rifle around and the big bag an' all what with the exacerbation of the injury- and then there's Brian here that hasn't a wink of sleep with the PTSD from being away from Moneygall...'
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I saw your post, yes...


People like yourself are always in favour of more EU, more federalism, more globalisation, more multiculturalism, more open borders, more migrants etc..

It all sounds so virtuous. But the flip side of it is more military interventionism.
Why not just accept that the people who live in these foreign countries are grown-ups?
Let them choose their own form of government. If that involves Sharia Law, so be it.
You seem to believe that they need whitey to guide them. That is borderline racist.

You would brand somebody like Donald trump as a "populist", but populists don't usually start wars. Isn't he the first US president in a long time not to start a war?

Mali has its own unique and ancient culture, going back to its heydey when Timbuktu was a world renowned trading centre.
Like Iraq, its people already had their own long history and their own traditions. Their own ways of doing things.

I find the arrogance of people like Varadkar and Macron annoying.
This idea that these people need
(a) More arms and more military training.
(b) Advice and governance from whitey.
(c) To act and dress and be more like us.
(d) To come and live with us. In the poorer suburbs. On social welfare.
They did not even have the wheel invented when the white man turned up.
Name an invention that came out of Africa.
Look at the African countries run by Africans, not many doing well is there ? Due to tribal rivalries and lack of expertise.
What if European money is turned off for famine aid or development what then.
The Africans need the whites more them the whites need the Africans. It's guilt that keep Europe in Africa.
 

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The Wehrmacht? You realize it's 2019 and not 1940, right?
This is the problem for a number of people posting on P.ie, While the Irish people and the country have moved on they are still standing there pointing at something trying to call us back.
 

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When the US organises a mission to "restore order" (regime change) to places like Iraq or Afghanistan it will usually invite along a few others to give it the impression of an "international coalition". Georgia usually volunteers for these, because it is desperate to move away from the Russian sphere of influence and into the EU and Nato sphere. Also its military is funded by the US.
So just because the likes of Georgia and Albania were invited along does not make this an international coalition.

This is a mission conceived in Brussels, at the behest of the French, which follows along similar lines to what the French army has been doing solo in the region for many decades. Controlling which warlords are in power in the French sphere of influence.
It is NOT a UN blue helmet peacekeeping mission, of the type Irish troops used to get involved in, when we were a neutral country.
These activities in the French controlled Sahel region are not any of our business.
The UN in the future will be mandating Blocks like NATO, African Union. EU. to intervein in areas of conflict.
If Ireland wants to remain in UN operations then they have to ramp up training with other armies in our block.
 

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So the ROI is engaging in neo-colonialism.

Those black folks can't be trusted to be nice to one another, so whitey has to send military forces there to try to get them to behave.

But I suppose it's all OK so long as everyone uses a EU banner while doing this.
If a stable Africa comes out of our intervention and they get their sh!t together, Then they can afford to buy of us.
Win Win
 

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They did not even have the wheel invented when the white man turned up.
Name an invention that came out of Africa.
Look at the African countries run by Africans, not many doing well is there ? Due to tribal rivalries and lack of expertise.
What if European money is turned off for famine aid or development what then.
The Africans need the whites more them the whites need the Africans. It's guilt that keep Europe in Africa.
Language. Fire. Tools....for starters.
 

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The UN in the future will be mandating Blocks like NATO, African Union. EU. to intervein in areas of conflict.
If Ireland wants to remain in UN operations then they have to ramp up training with other armies in our block.
And If Ireland wants to remain Neutral we need to avoid getting involved in other peoples whoha's and get our own act together.

We have been drip fed stories about Ireland not been safe and terrorists this and terrorists that.. all to try and justify an EU Army.. The only real benefit of a Euro army is that Trillions of euro go to the Arms trade . They will be the winners.
Of course once the EU army is established, it will have to get involved in war and if no wars are available they will have to start one. That is how the arms trade works.
Meanwhile back in Ireland , The Irish army are complaining that wages are so bad that some Army personnel got paid €20 for working a 24 shift on Christmas day. In the future The trojan carrot for these will be a pay increase to justify the EU army and every war supporter who believes all the military spin (which will be most of the Population ) will think we have got a great deal
 

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.....read the resolution. Or: Read what you pasted. It mandates that a plan for intervention be made by ECOWAS and the AU. Not that they were the only ones allowed to carry out intervention as part of that plan. The EU is mentioned in the resolution very clearly.

Why do you do this? I mean it's another thread in itself really, but you've chosen not to read what you've pasted, or the resolution itself. I'm fascinated by that lack of thinking.
ECOWAS and the AU were mandated ...not Ireland ..not the EU ... The zionist gobsh1te claimed that was our mandate ...unless you dont understand basic English it isn't ...if someone is mandated it doesn't mean every one is mandated :roll:
Lack of thinking indeed ...your specialist subject it seems


Now to educate you ..Ireland army presence has NOTHING to do with the UN and everything to do with EUCAP Sahli Mali and EUTM .... utterly and totally separate from any mandated UN operation

So again you clown ....The Irish army in Mali has nothing Nada Zilch to do with the UN or any UN mandate and everything to do with the EU

Now is that "fascinating" for you ? :roll:
 

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Mali, Chad and Niger are very far away, and we should not become embroiled in their religious/tribal conflicts.
..because it's not like people will be driven out of these places by the conflicts and try and turn up in Ireland and the rest of the EU. Right?
 

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And If Ireland wants to remain Neutral we need to avoid getting involved in other peoples whoha's and get our own act together.

We have been drip fed stories about Ireland not been safe and terrorists this and terrorists that.. all to try and justify an EU Army.. The only real benefit of a Euro army is that Trillions of euro go to the Arms trade . They will be the winners.
Of course once the EU army is established, it will have to get involved in war and if no wars are available they will have to start one. That is how the arms trade works.
Meanwhile back in Ireland , The Irish army are complaining that wages are so bad that some Army personnel got paid €20 for working a 24 shift on Christmas day. In the future The trojan carrot for these will be a pay increase to justify the EU army and every war supporter who believes all the military spin (which will be most of the Population ) will think we have got a great deal
Drivel. In this day and age you cannot pull up the drawbridge and lock out the world. Conflicts in Africa have knock on affects further afield. And if there is an EU Army. Good. ABout time.
 

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Drivel. In this day and age you cannot pull up the drawbridge and lock out the world. Conflicts in Africa have knock on affects further afield. And if there is an EU Army. Good. ABout time.
Indeed , as long as they realise who the real threat to world peace is , your USA heroes
 

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Indeed , as long as they realise who the real threat to world peace is , your USA heroes
The USA is the bedrock of a world order that has kept peace of sorts since 1945.
 

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Irish "neutrality" has always being "Superficial" it's the way we want it, gives us a flexibility we may need at some point in time.
And as the Irish people operate an open economy needing to export 90% of what we produce. It is in our interest to see that the world is stable. Ireland is now in 2019. Don't worry nobody is spinning in their graves, They died 100 years ago.
Wanting to see the world stable is one thing, installing puppet governments in Africa for economic exploitation is neo-colonialism.
 

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So how do you explain the US toppling the democratically elected Chilean president Allende and replacing him with the dictator Pinochet in 1973? Is that what you call being a "bedrock of a world order that has kept peace of sorts since 1945."?

If overthrowing Chilean democracy and replacing it with a dictatorship is "world order" then I want the exact opposite of world order and stand for a world were democracy, stability and peace is our watchword.

Proof = United States intervention in Chile - Wikipedia
 
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