Taoiseach visits our lads in the EU Army, somewhere in Africa


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Oh dear - oh, dear, oh dear, oh dear.


Varadkar speaks on China’s increasing role in Africa and risks to Europe

Basically, as if there was any doubt about why our Taoiseach decided to spend a week in Mali and Ethiopia, the real reason is now clear - to lay claim to these countries for Europe in the new rush to colonize the Fuzzywuzzies :rolleyes2:.

The minority government leader, who never got a mandate from the citizens, not to mention his own party, is now firmly placing Ireland on the world stage - squaring up to Russia and China.

I'm beginning to worry that during Dr Varadkar's tax payer funded ego trip he's writing cheques his actual ability can't cash.
Vlad knows his days as Taoiseach are numbered, he is now, as with his endeavors on Brexit, engaged in planning and securing his future career on the world stage.
And Vlad is doing what many successful corporate executives have done on their way to the top - never stay in one job long enough to be found out.
 
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If only there was some sort of defined benefit to the EU of a stable North Africa. Let's think about for a second, write it down 10 thousand times and then hit Rec over the head with the paper repeatedly.
You mean something like Africans giving up their aspiration for a better life in Europe?
 

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Vlad knows his days as Taoiseach are numbered, he is now, as with his endeavors on Brexit, engaged in planning and securing his future career on the world stage.
And Vlad is doing what many successful corporate executives have done on their way to the top - never stay in one job long enough to be found out.
I think most will agree he's left it too late for that...
 

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I'm surprised Varadkar volunteered to visit all those sweaty young men in uniform. Didn't think it would be his thing at all.
 

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The biggest source of exploitation and oppression in the third world is state capture by local elites or those that overthrow them and then go on to replace them in repeating cycles. However, the numbers of coups and dictatorships in Africa has been gradually reducing over the past 20 years. During the 1960s through to the 2000 there were approx 40 coups/attempted coups in Africa per decade. This has fallen steadily to less than half that level since then. Partly this is a result of the end of the Cold War and use of Africa as a battleground for the superpowers proxies but it is has also allowed western aid to be be discerning and conditional on good governance than before. Governance in Africa is improving thanks in part to efforts to build up the infrastructure of fragile states. The operation in Mali is part of that and our participation in it is a good thing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-46783600
Just ignore everything in the article I posted then if that's convenient and emotionally comforting for you...

Step outside of your denialist childhood fantasy about how the world works and look at the cold, hard facts.
 

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So while you champions of decency and fairness, those of you who “stand for a world were democracy, stability and peace is our watchword”, are getting your knickers in a twist about Irish troops on peacekeeping missions in Mali Russian troops are kicking the shite(or worse) out of protesters in Sudan.

Sightings of Russian-speaking mercenaries in the Sudanese capital have raised concerns that the Kremlin is moving to prop up the autocratic regime of President Bashir.

The reports and photographs from Khartoum have emerged as anti-government protests there grow and the president faces the biggest threat to his military dictatorship since he seized power 30 years ago.

The apparent deployment of Russian muscle comes as the Kremlin seeks to develop trade, security and defence links to sub-Saharan Africa.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russian-mercenaries-help-put-down-sudan-protests-vw0gzngq8
 

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So while you champions of decency and fairness, those of you who “stand for a world were democracy, stability and peace is our watchword”, are getting your knickers in a twist about Irish troops on peacekeeping missions in Mali Russian troops are kicking the shite(or worse) out of protesters in Sudan.



https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russian-mercenaries-help-put-down-sudan-protests-vw0gzngq8
He-said-she-said gossip from tabloid rags proves nothing. Even if its true how is it any better then the US support ISIS in Syria?
 

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Our A&Es are like 3rd world counties. don't think so. Staff in 3rd world counties can only dream of the money our "health professionals get away with.

"3rd world services for 1st world services", the HSE motto. They should put up posters
 

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He-said-she-said gossip from tabloid rags proves nothing. Even if its true how is it any better then the US support ISIS in Syria?
It's the Times. Not a tabloid. I know it's hard for you being a thicko socialist to accept but the Russians are not the good guys.
 

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It's the Times. Not a tabloid. I know it's hard for you being a thicko socialist to accept but the Russians are not the good guys.
Clearly you don't understand this concept called "figure of speech". I noticed you latched onto that and avoided everything else btw.

I never said Russia were good, merely that they are preferable to the billion dollar American war machine.
 

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Clearly you don't understand this concept called "figure of speech". I noticed you latched onto that and avoided everything else btw.

I never said Russia were good, merely that they are preferable to the billion dollar American war machine.
3 Russian journalists working for a publication owned by Kremlin critic Mikhail Khodorkovsky murdered in the Central African Republic. They were investigating the presence of Russian mercenaries there. Their driver may have been part of a set up.


Questions have been raised about the team's driver, who escaped the attack in circumstances that are yet to be fully explained.
Anastasia Gorshkova told the BBC that, in the days before the attack, ICC editors in Moscow had raised concerns about the man after it emerged the group had been stopped by the police close to their hotel and forced to pay a bribe.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45030087

https://www.ft.com/content/7e55b796-9cac-11e8-9702-5946bae86e6d
 

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Unfortunately there is little transparency in the Entire Foreign Aid budget. We are borrowing money to send to countries run by ruling kleptocracies while at the same time they are purchasing weapons, real estate overseas and generally wallowing in richness, meanwhile the Povo, the peasants the ordinary people wallow in poverty.
NGOs such as Goal, Concern, Trocaire , A to Z, ACTED to ZOA claim they work in eradicating poverty but instead just maintain the status quo.
As regards DF deployment to Mali well if it gives the DF some practical experience good and if we can wangle some commercial benefit from it even better but lets not do it because we are supposed to be doing good. As for Irish deployments with the UN well these mission with one or two exceptions are a total a F Up and publicity stunt. THE UN is dysfunctional as an organization is inefficient, ineffective and generally mediocre and corrupt.
So save 600 m = borrowing a year and reduce Irish Aid. Instead invest it in housing in Ireland for Irish people.
LEO does not give a stuff about the DF , he has no respect for them and this is very obvious with many of the TDs, Ministers etc Leo is just looking for the next UN job, Why the F is Ireland looking for a seat on the Un security council we cannot even secure Dublin Airport from Illegal migration , our seas from exploitation by others and even police our airspace ….
 

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My money should not be spent on Africa , it’s their problem if they all get off on killing each other , let them at it.
 

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I assume that gays are allowed in our army as we don’t fight any wars , Leo is prob having a great time.
 
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I assume that gays are allowed in our army as we don’t fight any wars , Leo is prob having a great time.
Back to reality next week though, the trip to the horn of africa over for himself and keogh.Lack of housing, health system, education cuts and all the other stuff, known unknowns and the deadly unknowns unknowns.:cry2:
 

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That is comparing to developing countries including the likes of Somalia and Afghanistan. Given our spending level it is only worthwhile comparing to developed countries. According to the Euro Health Consumer Index in 2017 we are ranked 24th out of 34 in europe behind the likes of Macedonia and Serbia.

Are salaries of medical professionals 24th out of 34th ? What are consultants paid in Macedonia !!

https://healthpowerhouse.com/media/EHCI-2017/EHCI-2017-report.pdf
 

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That is comparing to developing countries including the likes of Somalia and Afghanistan. Given our spending level it is only worthwhile comparing to developed countries. According to the Euro Health Consumer Index in 2017 we are ranked 24th out of 34 in europe behind the likes of Macedonia and Serbia.

Are salaries of medical professionals 24th out of 34th ? What are consultants paid in Macedonia !!

https://healthpowerhouse.com/media/EHCI-2017/EHCI-2017-report.pdf
The masses think that we should be spending more , although they use the word “invest” because they are thick. The masses are fools and support a Taoiseach boasting about how much we spend on health and how much more we will.
 

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3 Russian journalists working for a publication owned by Kremlin critic Mikhail Khodorkovsky murdered in the Central African Republic. They were investigating the presence of Russian mercenaries there. Their driver may have been part of a set up.




https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45030087

https://www.ft.com/content/7e55b796-9cac-11e8-9702-5946bae86e6d
LOL
Money what Khodorkovsky gave them, have been stolen in his Moscow office, so journalists couldn't afford buy security guards
It was funny when it was discoverd and chief of Moscow office for Khodorkovsky "party" had to resign as result of it
Kremlin critic pulls plug on media outlet after slaying of TV crew | Reuters

MI-6 and Insitute of Statecraft underestimeted level of corruption within Rissian liberals
 
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