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Taxing Child Benefit - a Simple Solution


DeGaulle 2.0

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There is an article in the Irish Times today which goes into the difficulties of taxing child benefit. The article quotes Michael Noonan in reply to a parliamentary question.

Michael Noonan via Irish Times said:
“These policy issues include clearly determining who is the owner of the child benefit payment, whether by taxing the payment there follows an entitlement to the PAYE tax credit, how the payment is treated for tax purposes in the hands of jointly assessed couples and legal issues surrounding the tax treatment of married couples and co-habiting couples.”
Surely there is a much simpler solution:- allow parents to reduce their property tax by, for example, 120 euro per year for each child resident in the house. The benefit could be restricted to houses worth up to a certain value (say 400,000) to ensure that only the "coping classes" benefit. Such an arrangement would restore the cut in child benefit to many hard-pressed families while avoiding the legal minefield of taxing child benefit.

In the longer term, such an arrangement might encourage people to live in size-appropriate housing - ie. there would be a financial incentive for couples to downsize once their children had left home.

Thoughts?

Link: Taxing child benefit may cost families €640 a year - The Irish Times - Wed, Jan 02, 2013
 


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Here is an even simpler solution.

People who pay tax should be entitled to child benefit - after all they paid the money in -whereas people who don't should be means tested and taxed on whatever means they have

that way people who don't contribute to society won't be incentivised to raise a family of children who don't contribute to society.
 

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What about the L.A. tenants or renters who will not have to pay a property tax?
 

Fr.Ted Crilly

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Why not just tax all income, regardless of it's source?
Social welfare is income, child benefit is income, rent allowance is income, it all should be taxed as such.
Take your tax credits and be taxed on the rest, like everyone else.
 

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Here is an even simpler solution.

People who pay tax should be entitled to child benefit - after all they paid the money in
-whereas people who don't should be means tested and taxed on whatever means they have

that way people who don't contribute to society won't be incentivised to raise a family of children who don't contribute to society.
How many children pay tax?
 

Fr.Ted Crilly

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Oh, and while we're at it.
If there has to be a property tax here, every household should pay it.
Renters and LA tenants included.
It's for the services these people use, so pay your share.
 

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The best solution to child benefit is to scrap it completely in the next budget. The taxpayer should not be paying for the irresponsible to have sprogs.
 

Fr.Ted Crilly

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The best solution to child benefit is to scrap it completely in the next budget. The taxpayer should not be paying for the irresponsible to have sprogs.
More bu11sh1te from the no.1 FF troll.
 

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The best solution to child benefit is to scrap it completely in the next budget. The taxpayer should not be paying for the irresponsible to have sprogs.
Children would still be born regardless and the ensuing poverty in Ireland's suburbs would not be a pretty site to behold.
 

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How many children pay tax?
Children do not receive Child Benefit.
Except some children of people (typically) who never paid tax...
Indirect tax? All of 'em.
The point about taxing child benefit is that it brings up a lot of awkward legal issues such as
- in the case of a cohabiting couple with a child, both are taxed separately. Who do you tax?
- could a case be made that the money belongs to the child and that the parents can sue for being taxed on the child's income?
etc.

Linking it to the property tax eliminates these problems.
 

Fr.Ted Crilly

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Children would still be born regardless and the ensuing poverty in Ireland's suburbs would not be a pretty site to behold.
FF trolls have no problems now inflicting poverty on people.
 

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Children would still be born regardless and the ensuing poverty in Ireland's suburbs would not be a pretty site to behold.

And that's my problem as a taxpayer why? If you can't afford children then don't have any. Simples.
 

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We need a task force to highlight the fact that some people piss too much.

Then we can institute a tax for it.

The obsessions with taxing everything is going beyond the absurd. Just tell the Anglo Bondhondholder to clear off.
 

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Anyone paying the top-rate should lose it. End of. If you can't afford children, don't have them.
 

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Children would still be born regardless and the ensuing poverty in Ireland's suburbs would not be a pretty site to behold.

It already is a pretty sight. What's your solution to the pyjama wearing imbeciles with the double and triple prams who are making a career out of pumping out the next generation of gurriers? We are paying for that. That's not right.
 

Fr.Ted Crilly

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And that's my problem as a taxpayer why? If you can't afford children then don't have any. Simples.
Are you sterile or something? Bitter person.
What do people do with the ones they have already?
Send them back?
You should run for FF in the local elections, your about as good as the calibre of muppet they usually put up.
 

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It already is a pretty sight. What's your solution to the pyjama wearing imbeciles who are making a career out of pumping out the next generation of gurriers? We are paying for that. That's not right.
I'm not explaining myself to someone from a party that ruined Ireland.
 

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Anyone paying the top-rate should lose it. End of.
2 cohabiting couples, each with 1 child.

Anna and Arthur: Anna pays top rate tax, Arthur doesn't. Anna collects the child benefit and thus loses it.
Bella and Billy: Bella doesn't pay top rate tax, Billy does. Bella collects the child benefit and keeps it.

It is not that simple, Dame Enda.
 

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