Thank you Brexit for providing a new all-inclusive gospel for West Brits

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Maybe you hate the Shinners. Maybe your life revolves around hatred of the Church, of the GAA or of the nuns. Maybe you're driven by an obsessive need to tell everyone that Ireland is the most corrupt, most brutal, most barbaric, most hypocritical, most evil state on Earth whose only significant act since its foolish rejection of the British Empire has been to enslave itself to Merkel's Nazi goose-stepping Fourth Reich.

Whatever. It's the bee in your bonnet that has driven you to the message boards of P.ie. And when you delve into the Magic Kingdom of its threads, you discover there are others who share your hangups.

You have, of course, read such sentiments in the Sunday Independent, heard them on the talk shows of RTE, listened to them in the members bar of the golf club or cogitated them as you watch the Poppy Day parades and the royalty porno on the Beeb. But you've never seen them expressed with such unrestrained gusto as on P.ie.

You are, whether you realise it or not, a West Brit. One of those whose chance to share in the dreams of empire, in the solidarity of World War victory, in the superiority of Anglo-Saxonry, in the Dunkirk spirit was robbed by Ireland being hijacked by independence.

And you should be standing shoulder to shoulder with your fellow spirits as you cheer on the Lions or your favourite Premiership club or you Ryder Cup heroes. But here has always been something to divide you.

Some of you proudly singing Ireland's Call proclaim your devotion to the new right, to the great British tradition of the free market, of Adam Smith and Sir Charles Trevelyan and Margaret Thatcher. On the other hand, you may be see yourself as a stalwart of the left, of the internationalist Anglocentric brotherhood of the working man you discovered in London when you fled the priest-ridden hovel of your birth. Or you could even proclaim to be an upholder of true Irish Republican values so disgusted by Shinner sellout that you now embrace everything they're against and wholeheartedly endorse a siege economy cleansed of every foreigner except your new BNP chums.

But then Brexit comes to the rescue. Mother England, in all her resplendent glory, tells Johnny Foreigner to fùck off as it resumes its place in the sun. Your cup filleth over as this plucky act of British defiance enrages the libtard cucks or the Blairite tratiors of the working man or the evil Hun-empire of the EU or the apologists for Islamic terrorists and mass immigration or the Shinner traitors or the Shinner mass-murderers or the FFG defenders of the banksters or the GAA for some reason you can't quite put your finger on for the moment. In that delicious smorgasbord of hate-driven delicacies, there's a special canape waiting there somewhere to titilate your discerning taste buds.

So thank you, Brexit. Brought together by this hymn sheet that everyone can sing to, this roof so broad and so welcoming that can shelter every disparate expression of the West Brit cult, you can look forward to a future of crawling on your hands and knees for the bowl of soup without ever being distracted by the sight above you of Captain May and her jolly Jack Tars sailing the Good Ship Venus.
 


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Maybe the West Brits are driven by the same sentiments as the East Irish - family ties to both Ireland and Britain cause us to like and appreciate both and to wish that our enmities become a thing of the past.

Is that unreasonable?
 

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Maybe the West Brits are driven by the same sentiments as the East Irish - family ties to both Ireland and Britain cause us to like and appreciate both and to wish that our enmities become a thing of the past.

Is that unreasonable?
The OP isn't talking about people who like and appreciate both, its quite clear he's referring to the type who hates and despises Ireland. If you want enmity to be a thing of the past, selling pro-British sentiment as anti-Irish is not going to work.
 

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Maybe the West Brits are driven by the same sentiments as the East Irish - family ties to both Ireland and Britain cause us to like and appreciate both and to wish that our enmities become a thing of the past.

Is that unreasonable?
Coming from an apologist for British state terrorism, militarism, colonialism and murder over centuries in Ireland, it rings very hollow.
You are a hypocrite of the highest order.
 

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The amusing ones are the P.ie denizens who had to go "over there" to earn a crust, and who spend all day, everyday, whinging about Brexit on here.

It explains their schizophrenia in many other regards too petunia

Never liked that David Coleman BBC feller either.
 

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Coming from an apologist for British state terrorism, militarism, colonialism and murder over centuries in Ireland, it rings very hollow.
You are a hypocrite of the highest order.
To repeat what I said in an earlier thread - almost everything you consider unjust, I accept was unjust (on the basis that there almost always was an alternative course of action that would have been more or less acceptable from everyone's point of view and it was wrong not to take such courses of action).
 

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The OP isn't talking about people who like and appreciate both, its quite clear he's referring to the type who hates and despises Ireland. If you want enmity to be a thing of the past, selling pro-British sentiment as anti-Irish is not going to work.
My suspicion is that most who are called "West Brit" may like Britain, but love Ireland.
 

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I do think Adam Smith legacy is sullied by misappropriation. For example in his support on lifting the trade restrictions imposed upon Ireland....

Should the industry of Ireland, in consequence of freedom and good government, ever equal that of England, so much the better would it be not only for the whole British Empire, but for the particular province of England. As the wealth and industry of Lancashire does not obstruct but promote that of Yorkshire, so the wealth and industry of Ireland would not obstruct but promote that of England.
If he were around today he most likely consider Brexit an insensible folly and he'd dismay at the neglect of north england.
 

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The OED has an early citation for "West Briton", from 1836, and credited (via a quotation) to one ... err, umph ... Daniel O'Connell:
The people of Ireland are ready .. to become a kind of West Britons, if made so in benefits and justice; but if not, we are Irishmen again.
That quotation turns up, serially, in other texts, for example Oliver MacDonagh's The Emancipist.

To my surprise, the OED doesn't find an example of the full-sneer, "West Brit", before 1973 — though I'm convinced it was lobbed at me in the '60s. Invariably, the term implied Anglicanism (so, to this practising agnostic, a double-insult).
 

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This is so hypocritical.

The one consistent message we have is that all cultures and communities form a part of ireland and they have a right to choose how they want to live.

But the West British identity doesn't count apparently.

Well, you alt right loons it does count and it does have a place and it's part of our shared space.

Deal with it. Ireland is multi cultural, get over it.
 

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Deal with it. Ireland is multi cultural, get over it.
The West Brits is a political identity though, just as the ulster unionism is.

An Irish citizen can be protestant, catholic, hindu etc...

A West Brit stands for an identity separate to Irish citizenship.
 

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The West Brits is a political identity though, just as the ulster unionism is.

An Irish citizen can be protestant, catholic, hindu etc...

A West Brit stands for an identity separate to Irish citizenship.
Ireland is multi Cul-Tur-Al. Deal with it Breitbart boy (or girl).
 

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Maybe you hate the Shinners. Maybe your life revolves around hatred of the Church, of the GAA or of the nuns. Maybe you're driven by an obsessive need to tell everyone that Ireland is the most corrupt, most brutal, most barbaric, most hypocritical, most evil state on Earth whose only significant act since its foolish rejection of the British Empire has been to enslave itself to Merkel's Nazi goose-stepping Fourth Reich.

Whatever. It's the bee in your bonnet that has driven you to the message boards of P.ie. And when you delve into the Magic Kingdom of its threads, you discover there are others who share your hangups...

So thank you, Brexit. Brought together by this hymn sheet that everyone can sing to, this roof so broad and so welcoming that can shelter every disparate expression of the West Brit cult, you can look forward to a future of crawling on your hands and knees for the bowl of soup without ever being distracted by the sight above you of Captain May and her jolly Jack Tars sailing the Good Ship Venus.
This is just a fact free, stream of consciousness rant. You are simply attempting to use Brexit as a free pass to vent your personal prejudices without fear of being called out on them.

West Brits? Jesus wept, get a grip :roll:
 

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Maybe the West Brits are driven by the same sentiments as the East Irish - family ties to both Ireland and Britain cause us to like and appreciate both and to wish that our enmities become a thing of the past.

Is that unreasonable?
I like and support both Britain and Ireland.

I am wary and cautious about a United Ireland (no hurry, IMHO, might be more trouble than it is worth), I was against Scottish Independence in the referendum, and I have been called a "f*cking West Brit" many, many times.

BUT I am adamantly opposed to Ireland following the UK out of the Union. If the UK wants to sail off on the good ship Brexit to its doom, I do not see any reason why the Irish frigate should tag along as an equally doomed escort.

More and more, I think of my ancestors who joined the IRA in 1920 - we had our Brexit then, and I agree it was a mixed blessing.

But there is no going back.
 

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Ireland is multi Cul-Tur-Al. Deal with it Breitbart boy (or girl).
But West Brit is not a culture, it's a political stance.

Ulster unionism is not a culture, it's a political stance.
 

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I like and support both Britain and Ireland.

I am wary and cautious about a United Ireland (no hurry, IMHO, might be more trouble than it is worth), I was against Scottish Independence in the referendum, and I have been called a "f*cking West Brit" many, many times.

BUT I am adamantly opposed to Ireland following the UK out of the Union. If the UK wants to sail off on the good ship Brexit to its doom, I do not see any reason why the Irish frigate should tag along as an equally doomed escort.

More and more, I think of my ancestors who joined the IRA in 1920 - we had our Brexit then, and I agree it was a mixed blessing.

But there is no going back.
A very reasonable point of view. I myself am not too worried about Brexit - if South Korea and Singapore are big enough to function successfully outside of a bigger political unit, then the UK should be OK. But I fully understand (and indeed agreed with) the opinion "Why take the risk?".
 

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Maybe you hate the Shinners. Maybe your life revolves around hatred of the Church, of the GAA or of the nuns. Maybe you're driven by an obsessive need to tell everyone that Ireland is the most corrupt, most brutal, most barbaric, most hypocritical, most evil state on Earth whose only significant act since its foolish rejection of the British Empire has been to enslave itself to Merkel's Nazi goose-stepping Fourth Reich.

Whatever. It's the bee in your bonnet that has driven you to the message boards of P.ie. And when you delve into the Magic Kingdom of its threads, you discover there are others who share your hangups.

You have, of course, read such sentiments in the Sunday Independent, heard them on the talk shows of RTE, listened to them in the members bar of the golf club or cogitated them as you watch the Poppy Day parades and the royalty porno on the Beeb. But you've never seen them expressed with such unrestrained gusto as on P.ie.

You are, whether you realise it or not, a West Brit. One of those whose chance to share in the dreams of empire, in the solidarity of World War victory, in the superiority of Anglo-Saxonry, in the Dunkirk spirit was robbed by Ireland being hijacked by independence.

And you should be standing shoulder to shoulder with your fellow spirits as you cheer on the Lions or your favourite Premiership club or you Ryder Cup heroes. But here has always been something to divide you.

Some of you proudly singing Ireland's Call proclaim your devotion to the new right, to the great British tradition of the free market, of Adam Smith and Sir Charles Trevelyan and Margaret Thatcher. On the other hand, you may be see yourself as a stalwart of the left, of the internationalist Anglocentric brotherhood of the working man you discovered in London when you fled the priest-ridden hovel of your birth. Or you could even proclaim to be an upholder of true Irish Republican values so disgusted by Shinner sellout that you now embrace everything they're against and wholeheartedly endorse a siege economy cleansed of every foreigner except your new BNP chums.

But then Brexit comes to the rescue. Mother England, in all her resplendent glory, tells Johnny Foreigner to fùck off as it resumes its place in the sun. Your cup filleth over as this plucky act of British defiance enrages the libtard cucks or the Blairite tratiors of the working man or the evil Hun-empire of the EU or the apologists for Islamic terrorists and mass immigration or the Shinner traitors or the Shinner mass-murderers or the FFG defenders of the banksters or the GAA for some reason you can't quite put your finger on for the moment. In that delicious smorgasbord of hate-driven delicacies, there's a special canape waiting there somewhere to titilate your discerning taste buds.

So thank you, Brexit. Brought together by this hymn sheet that everyone can sing to, this roof so broad and so welcoming that can shelter every disparate expression of the West Brit cult, you can look forward to a future of crawling on your hands and knees for the bowl of soup without ever being distracted by the sight above you of Captain May and her jolly Jack Tars sailing the Good Ship Venus.
Beautiful. :lol:
 


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