That Border Norway-Sweden

General Urko

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Kieran Cuddihy of The Newstalk Parish has been doing an excellent series of reports this week, all available on the relevant site, from Norway and how they approach the world and any lessons to be learned for us.

Perhaps the most of interest in light of The Big B, is his piece on how the border between Norway and Sweden operates, it's been held by some as the paradigm for the major change ahead for us and Northern Ireland/Britain.

Kieran approaches it on The E18, the main route between Oslo and Stockholm and speaks to the customs officers about how it operates and observes it in action.

I have crossed from Sweden to Norway and recrossed, a few years ago on a bus at night and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary!

It's not an invisible border and while it's probably as frictionless a border as you will find where a formal border exists between developed countries outside of The EU, it is alas by no means frictionless!

Indeed if a truck is observed as regularly going down a subsidiary road to cross the border, it will be specifically stopped and checked at some stage!

[video=youtube;3vhJAUt5sxA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vhJAUt5sxA[/video]
 


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Why are we in denial that Brexit means the re-imposition of the border?
 

Eire1976

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Norway and Sweden aren't riven by Unionists getting in the way of peace.
 

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Norway and Sweden don't have a border crossing for every mile of border or farmers moving cattle to and fro or their milk going backwards and forwards for processing.
 

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More partitionist sh(t. The Republic and NI are not two separate countries.
 

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It is a model for a smooth border but Norway does have to implement parallel policies to many EU trade policies to keep it smooth.
 

shiel

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More partitionist sh(t. The Republic and NI are not two separate countries.
Geographically no.

But a border was imposed by the imperial parliament nearly 100years ago.

That happened despite the fact that a short time previously the same imperial parliament passed an act giving self rule to the whole island with a parliament in Dublin.
 

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Geographically no.

But a border was imposed by the imperial parliament nearly 100years ago.

That happened despite the fact that a short time previously the same imperial parliament passed an act giving self rule to the whole island with a parliament in Dublin.
Whatever suits the Unionists is what happens, Glad that can't happen today - oh wait a minute
 

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It needs to emphasized that the Norway-Sweden border evolved over several centuries and - in a wonderfully sensible Scandinavian way - took into account the views of local people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway–Sweden_border

It wasn't plonked down overnight, dividing people from their land, churches and sports pitches.
 

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It needs to emphasized that the Norway-Sweden border evolved over several centuries and - in a wonderfully sensible Scandinavian way - took into account the views of local people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway–Sweden_border

It wasn't plonked down overnight, dividing people from their land, churches and sports pitches.
Indeed. I doubt if there is a Scandinavian version of the village of Pettigo.

[video=youtube;uXHx-JLI460]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXHx-JLI460[/video]
 

Spirit Of Newgrange

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a generous dole in Sweden for everybody versus something more sane in Norway could work better than any border.
 

General Urko

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More partitionist sh(t. The Republic and NI are not two separate countries.
Denial is more than just a river in Egypt, politically we are separate entities! Also there may well have evolved over nearly 100 years of partition a difference in mindset between Nordies and Southies as great as that between West and East Germans after their 40 years of formal partition (the wall) or so!
Without a shadow Nordies have more in common with each other than they do with us and they are more than welcome to each other!
 

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Indeed. I doubt if there is a Scandinavian version of the village of Pettigo.

[video=youtube;uXHx-JLI460]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXHx-JLI460[/video]
Villages nat village, Pettigo and Tullyhommon...
 

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Denial is more than just a river in Egypt, politically we are separate entities! Also there may well have evolved over nearly 100 years of partition a difference in mindset between Nordies and Southies as great as that between West and East Germans after their 40 years of formal partition (the wall) or so!
Without a shadow Nordies have more in common with each other than they do with us and they are more than welcome to each other!
Couldn't agree more wholeheartedly.

The likes of Fianna Fáil - the Republican Party - and their wingmen, Fine Gael, have done more to erode any sense of nationalist sentiment in a hundred years than the Brits did in seven hundred. Magnificent stuff.

The average Southern Republican often has more in common with his kin across the border then he does with his cousins across the river. We've done more to blur the lines on what defines an individual as Irish than the British ever dreamed possible.

This isn't 1914. The largest minority in the Republic? Almost half a million people from the UK. There are 10 million Englishmen of Irish extraction and 35 million Americans of Irish extraction. Ireland is no longer some despotic Orwellian theocratic nightmare.

The very impetus for Partition is becoming less relevant with each passing year.
 

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Norway and Sweden don't have a border crossing for every mile of border or farmers moving cattle to and fro or their milk going backwards and forwards for processing.
Bur doesnt that just highlight , in partyicular the famrers stradlling the border,m the fudge sinvce 1922.

How any unionist land holder could have property on both sides of border and claim affiliation is beyond me.

No desire to see idiots given an excuse to be idiots but equally happy if soft nationalist and unionists are forced to face the nosense of their position.

Also maybe if there is disruption might be some recognition in the media in dublin that the sky wont have fallen in in the "south".....if one were to read the outpourings of Fintan O toole one would imagine the republic is huddled around the north and daily impacted by it......

Not ,again to downplay the potential nasty outcomes and the very real impact on a not insignificant part of the economy....but while I ain't no John Bruton I think there is no need for the country to go full Tommy Gorman either .
And while wrapping the green falg and pushing a poll is premature it needs to be stated to some of the hard nosed northern business men, of both tribes, that they have in effect benefited from a united ireland thanks to the good graces of the EU & the irish state, in particulars, threading of both sides of reality. When their milk sours maybe theyll be lead by mammon to Damascus
 

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Bur doesnt that just highlight , in partyicular the famrers stradlling the border,m the fudge sinvce 1922.
Is that in Ulster-Scots ??
Or you were typing on the bicycle going along the roads in Cavan ?
:lol:

Re: your point on souring milk, I agree. If the Tories don't deliver the promised spondulicks to the DUP by the next British state GE, the DUP and their take on Brexit will be made look very silly.
 

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[video=youtube;M90C7FA4FYU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M90C7FA4FYU[/video]
 

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All the little snotty EU politicians are hopping about like fleas on a hedgehog seeking to pretend that they won't impose a hard border on the island of Ireland.

It,s all a farce.

This army of bloodsucking bubonic plague EU federalist fleas will bleed Ireland dry between hard borders and additional taxes.
 

General Urko

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All the little snotty EU politicians are hopping about like fleas on a hedgehog seeking to pretend that they won't impose a hard border on the island of Ireland.

It,s all a farce.

This army of bloodsucking bubonic plague EU federalist fleas will bleed Ireland dry between hard borders and additional taxes.
It's hard to know who would ride our holes red raw quicker, The Britz or our new friends in The Franco-Germanic Axis!
 


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