The 1987 Sate Papers Have Been Released

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Under the absurd 30 year rule (they are moving to 20 in The UK), the 1987 state papers have been released.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/state-papers

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2017/1229/928724-state-papers-1987/

https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/gerry-adams-was-said-to-be-working-on-peace-plan-in-1987-say-papers-36442872.html

'Putting jam on the cake': Authorities knew Birmingham Six evidence 'enhanced' years before release


Highlights include -

The UVF informing Haughey that MI5 asked them to kill him and provided details of his whereabouts to them and if not they asked the Loyalist Killers to accept responsibility if British Establishment Bollex Acters did it - They absolutely refused on both counts -

Signed in block capitals “Capt W Johnston”, the name used by the UVF in all its formal statements, it closed with the line: “We have no love for you but we are not going to carry out work for the Dirty Tricks Department of the British.”

Separate thread on P.ie also!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/state-papers/loyalists-told-charles-haughey-mi5-asked-us-to-execute-you-1.3339804

https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/uvf-told-charlie-haughey-that-mi5-ordered-his-assassination-state-papers-show-36442880.html

Authorities knew Birmingham Six evidence 'enhanced' years before release.

Haughey told the Britz we were financially fooked and jokingly requested a loan of 2 Billion quid (I don't know if that was for himself or the nationpetunia)

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/state-papers/haughey-told-thatcher-that-ireland-was-financially-up-against-the-wall-1.3326098

State rejected an offer to buy Lissadell House for £500,000, what would yo get for that today?

Haughey ever the Statesman, engaged in telephone diplomacy over an EU Referendum.

Doubts were seriously expressed over Lovely Larry Goodman's beef sector jobs plan.

Haughey banned special pleadings over budget cuts from the cabinet, proposals included a property tax and a £200 charge per school pupil.

Both Haughey and Garret wrote warm letters to Thatcher re the upcoming UK GE, Garrett in particular it seems was eager to rim her hole.

The Britz considered selling advertising space on border towers!petuniapetunia

The Britz were thinking about erecting a Berlin Wall type fortification along the border.

The RUC told ministers that The Provos were not short of cash and that £3 Million plus a year was being spent by them in their armed struggle.

Jarry was at most number 3 in the senior line up on the Army Council, according to a prominent Nordie Priest.

Jarry was also thought to be working on a peace plan. It didn't take him long, did it to eventually put one forward!

https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/gerry-adams-was-said-to-be-working-on-peace-plan-in-1987-say-papers-36442872.html


Thatcher and Haughey at odds over extradition reform. That's a surprise!

https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/thatcher-and-haughey-at-odds-over-extradition-reform-state-papers-reveal-36442884.html

RUC chief was critical of gardaí’s IRA intelligence, claiming the info flow was almost 1 way only.

There was a proposal to treat injured Iranian soldiers from Iran-Iraq War in Mater hospital.

More will be released later today!:rolleyes:
 
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General Urko

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Under the absurd 30 year rule (they are moving to 20 in The UK), the 1987 state papers have been released.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/state-papers

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2017/1229/928724-state-papers-1987/

https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/gerry-adams-was-said-to-be-working-on-peace-plan-in-1987-say-papers-36442872.html

'Putting jam on the cake': Authorities knew Birmingham Six evidence 'enhanced' years before release


Highlights include -

The UVF informing Haughey that MI5 asked them to kill him and provided details of his whereabouts to them and if not they asked the Loyalist Killers to accept responsibility if British Establishment Bollex Acters did it - They absolutely refused on both counts -

Signed in block capitals “Capt W Johnston”, the name used by the UVF in all its formal statements, it closed with the line: “We have no love for you but we are not going to carry out work for the Dirty Tricks Department of the British.”

Separate thread on P.ie also!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/state-papers/loyalists-told-charles-haughey-mi5-asked-us-to-execute-you-1.3339804

https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/uvf-told-charlie-haughey-that-mi5-ordered-his-assassination-state-papers-show-36442880.html

Authorities knew Birmingham Six evidence 'enhanced' years before release.

State Papers 1987: Irish politicians abandoned us, says Paddy Hill | Irish Examiner

Haughey told the Britz we were financially fooked and jokingly requested a loan of 2 Billion quid (I don't know if that was for himself or the nationpetunia)

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/state-papers/haughey-told-thatcher-that-ireland-was-financially-up-against-the-wall-1.3326098

State rejected an offer to buy Lissadell House for £500,000, what would yo get for that today?

Haughey ever the Statesman, engaged in telephone diplomacy over an EU Referendum.

Doubts were seriously expressed over Lovely Larry Goodman's beef sector jobs plan.

Haughey banned special pleadings over budget cuts from the cabinet, proposals included a property tax and a £200 charge per school pupil.

Both Haughey and Garret wrote warm letters to Thatcher re the upcoming UK GE, Garrett in particular it seems was eager to rim her hole.

The Britz considered selling advertising space on border towers!petuniapetunia

The Britz were thinking about erecting a Berlin Wall type fortification along the border.

The RUC told ministers that The Provos were not short of cash and that £3 Million plus a year was being spent by them in their armed struggle.

Jarry was at most number 3 in the senior line up on the Army Council, according to a prominent Nordie Priest.

Jarry was also thought to be working on a peace plan. It didn't take him long, did it, to eventually put one forward!

https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/gerry-adams-was-said-to-be-working-on-peace-plan-in-1987-say-papers-36442872.html


State Papers 1987: Adams was working on peace strategy in 1987 | Irish Examiner

Thatcher and Haughey at odds over extradition reform. That's a surprise!

https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/thatcher-and-haughey-at-odds-over-extradition-reform-state-papers-reveal-36442884.html

State Papers 1987: Thatcher criticised Haughey over lack of terrorist extraditions | Irish Examiner

RUC chief was critical of gardaí’s IRA intelligence, claiming the info flow was almost 1 way only.

There was a proposal to treat injured Iranian soldiers from Iran-Iraq War in Mater hospital.

More will be released later today!:rolleyes:


Tarted up a bit!:rolleyes:
 

The Rahenyite

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Did the Brits want to kill Haughey for themselves or because they knew he'd be such a bollix to the Irish people?
 

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Did the Brits want to kill Haughey for themselves or because they knew he'd be such a bollix to the Irish people?
Considering their behaviour on the island of Ireland for the previous 800 years I'd hazard a guess at it being for themselves...
 

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The most interesting thing I fond was that Thatcher fancied the arse off our chieftain, Haughey. So much in fact that the Falklands 'divergence of opinion' was buried once and for all.
 

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If the Government refused to sub the Gore-Booths half a million for Lissadell, it was money well saved.

I can think of few uglier, more inconvenient Irish stately homes (Frank Goodwin's other architectural "greatest hits" were more of the town hall and prison nature). All Lissadell has going for it are location (even if — the last time I saw it — the trees mask any view towards Rosses Point), the buffed-up "national heroine" stuff, and Willy Yeats's window (with Connie Booth's incised signature).

Did I forget the decaying polar bear, shot by the butler, Kilgallon?

Oh, I suppose my other grief is that the other daughter, Eva, gets forgotten — except for Yeats's homophobic (?) put-downs. Yet Eva, and her companion, Eva Roper, deserve a far greater position in the literary and political histories.
 

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If the Government refused to sub the Gore-Booths half a million for Lissadell, it was money well saved.

I can think of few uglier, more inconvenient Irish stately homes (Frank Goodwin's other architectural "greatest hits" were more of the town hall and prison nature). All Lissadell has going for it are location (even if — the last time I saw it — the trees mask any view towards Rosses Point), the buffed-up "national heroine" stuff, and Willy Yeats's window (with Connie Booth's incised signature).

Did I forget the decaying polar bear, shot by the butler, Kilgallon?

Oh, I suppose my other grief is that the other daughter, Eva, gets forgotten — except for Yeats's homophobic (?) put-downs. Yet Eva, and her companion, Eva Roper, deserve a far greater position in the literary and political histories.
Any large Protestant house built in Ireland during the occupation is a sacred piece of brilliant architecture and an essential protected part of our national history and culture. The high point of our civilisation apparently.
 

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My favourite so far.....

....“As a further example of the IRA’s hypocrisy, [Daly] mentioned a recent case in which a Derry post office was robbed by two men, one of whom the post mistress recognised as a prominent Sinn Féin spokesman. Within half an hour a Sinn Féin councillor had called round to sympathise with the postmistress and, within an hour, Sinn Féin had issued a statement deploring such anti-social acts.”

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More will be released later today!:rolleyes:

Nothing as interesting as wee jarry setting up the loughgall ambush, maybe, the theory being that some of the volunteers wanted him dead... rumours of rumours so you decide.

No doubt that Lynagh and McKearney were psychos, nor that SF leaders were in touch with MI5 and London since the 1970s.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/gerry-adams-was-rumoured-to-have-set-up-ira-loughgall-ambush-1.3328744


The rumour about Mr Adams was passed on to the Department of Foreign Affairs by the highly respected Fr Denis Faul about three months after the Loughgall operation.
The priest, who had been at school in St Patrick’s Academy, Dungannon with Padraig McKearney, one of the IRA gang, said the theory doing the rounds was that “the IRA team were set up by Gerry Adams himself”.
Fr Faul said he was “intrigued” by the theory.
Mr Adams declined to comment on the contents of the file when contacted in recent days.
Fr Faul, a school teacher and chaplain in Long Kesh prison who died in 2006, said the rumour was that two of the gang — Jim Lynagh, a councillor in Monaghan, and McKearney — “had threatened to execute Adams shortly before the Loughgall event”.



 

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Is anyone surprised about any of this?
 

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Have any former MI5 or British government members made any formal statements yet about this alleged plot?
 

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Any large Protestant house built in Ireland during the occupation is a sacred piece of brilliant architecture and an essential protected part of our national history and culture. The high point of our civilisation apparently.
Cheap ultra-nationalism or even cheaper denominational prejudice apart, why would Grand Projects in Ireland be more offensive than those which mark the oppression of the peasantry across the rest of Europe?

Anyway, Louis Macneice nailed the Ascendancy way-of-life with:
nothing but an insidious bonhomie, an obsolete bravado and a way with horses.
 

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Have any former MI5 or British government members made any formal statements yet about this alleged plot?

What plot? Only takes a phone call from one guy that something is planned. Obviously the loughgall ambush was based on info from within the provos.

So, who would be motivated to spill the beans?
 

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What plot? Only takes a phone call from one guy that something is planned. Obviously the loughgall ambush was based on info from within the provos.

So, who would be motivated to spill the beans?
Hence I said 'alleged'.
 


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