the 25th Seanad

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Taoiseach appoints Jerry Buttimer as leader of the Seanad | BreakingNews.ie the reward for saying nothing during the Seanad abolition referendum


O'Donovan elected Cathaoirleach of Seanad - RTÉ News in what is called an FF-FG deal although I think only SF did not vote for him

Analysis: Deal over top Seanad post signals new politics at work

some highlight thats there (3) more Independents then there's every been before but I suspect theres more immediately former TDs then ever before too

http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/op/Jun16/Seanad/op080616s.pdf
11 senators headed by McDowell have launched a bill to enact the Manning Group Seanad Reform report and Sinn Fein have a motion calling for a Seanad reform committee, but Senators themselves can't reform the Seanad only the Taoiseach has the power to do that


Members of the 25th Seanad

NamePanelPartyNotes
Martin ConwayAdministrative PanelFine Gael
Mark DalyAdministrative PanelFianna Fáil
John DolanAdministrative PanelIndependent
Maura HopkinsAdministrative PanelFine Gael
Kevin HumphreysAdministrative PanelLabour Party
Niall Ó DonnghaileAdministrative PanelSinn Féin
Diarmuid WilsonAdministrative PanelFianna Fáil
Victor BoyhanAgricultural PanelIndependent
Paddy BurkeAgricultural PanelFine Gael
Maria ByrneAgricultural PanelFine Gael
Rose Conway-WalshAgricultural PanelSinn Féin
Paul DalyAgricultural PanelFianna Fáil
Denis LandyAgricultural PanelLabour Party
Tim LombardAgricultural PanelFine Gael
Trevor Ó ClochartaighAgricultural PanelSinn Féin
Brian Ó DomhnaillAgricultural PanelFianna Fáil
Denis O'DonovanAgricultural PanelFianna Fáil
Grace O'SullivanAgricultural PanelGreen Party
Lorraine Clifford-LeeCultural and Educational PanelFianna Fáil
Gabrielle McFaddenCultural and Educational PanelFine Gael
Kieran O'DonnellCultural and Educational PanelFine Gael
Keith SwanickCultural and Educational PanelFianna Fáil
Fintan WarfieldCultural and Educational PanelSinn Féin
Catherine ArdaghIndustrial and Commercial PanelFianna Fáil
Frances BlackIndustrial and Commercial PanelIndependent
Colm BurkeIndustrial and Commercial PanelFine Gael
Paul CoghlanIndustrial and Commercial PanelFine Gael
Aidan DavittIndustrial and Commercial PanelFianna Fáil
Gerry HorkanIndustrial and Commercial PanelFianna Fáil
Pádraig Mac LochlainnIndustrial and Commercial PanelSinn Féin
Catherine NooneIndustrial and Commercial PanelFine Gael
Aodhán Ó RíordáinIndustrial and Commercial PanelLabour Party
Jerry ButtimerLabour PanelFine Gael
Gerard CraughwellLabour PanelIndependent
Máire DevineLabour PanelSinn Féin
Robbie GallagherLabour PanelFianna Fáil
Paul GavanLabour PanelSinn Féin
Terry LeydenLabour PanelFianna Fáil
Jennifer Murnane-O'ConnorLabour PanelFianna Fáil
Ged NashLabour PanelLabour Party
Joe O'ReillyLabour PanelFine Gael
Ned O'SullivanLabour PanelFianna Fáil
Neale RichmondLabour PanelFine Gael
Alice Mary HigginsNational University of IrelandIndependent
Michael McDowellNational University of IrelandIndependent
Rónán MullenNational University of IrelandIndependent
Ivana BacikUniversity of DublinLabour Party
David NorrisUniversity of DublinIndependent
Lynn RuaneUniversity of DublinIndependent
Ray ButlerNominated by the TaoiseachFine Gael
Paudie CoffeyNominated by the TaoiseachFine Gael
Frank FeighanNominated by the TaoiseachFine Gael
Joan FreemanNominated by the TaoiseachIndependent
Colette KelleherNominated by the TaoiseachIndependent
Billy LawlessNominated by the TaoiseachIndependent
Michelle MulherinNominated by the TaoiseachFine Gael
Pádraig Ó CéidighNominated by the TaoiseachIndependent
Marie-Louise O'DonnellNominated by the TaoiseachIndependent
John O'MahonyNominated by the TaoiseachFine Gael
James ReillyNominated by the TaoiseachFine Gael
 
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Seeing as we are lumbered with it, it is high time that much better use of it was made and that it sits more often with more scrutiny and input into legislation.
 

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Mr Kenny told us he would reform the Senate,he had no interest.
Its now worse than ever, Its a rest home for rejects and cronies
and now its been used by Mr Kenny for dirty side deals with Fianna
Fail just to keep himself in the Taoiseachs office,
 

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Had a quick look at the carry on, Norris was in the chair pontificating. We had our chance to be rid of it and blew it.
 

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We had our opportunity to get rid of the Seanad but were convinced otherwise by the insider elite in academia and media who wanted to keep the Seanad as a bolthole for themselves and their cronies.

'REFORM' of the Seanad is just a load of hogwash.

Reforming the Seanad by having it more directly elected and giving it more power, as seems to be advocated by a group of politicians, is just creating another Dail. We already have one of those.

Giving power to passport-holding emigrants and Northern Ireland citizens to elect this 'reformed' Seanad would give power to those who do not pay taxes in this country.
 

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I had to turn Norris off rapidly. He is such a pompous ass. We are so lucky we did not elect him as President. I saw that other yoke Daly there as well and plenty of our lot that got the heave. I hope Enda will not waste any time reforming it and just let it stew away there.
 
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Senator Joe O'Reilly has an ad in today's Anglo-Celt in which he describes himself as:
Senator Joe O'Reilly TD.

You are SOOO January 2016, a Sheosamh!
 

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that's some impressive 'linkage' in the OP.

Who has that amount of time?


Wait a minute....








Senator???????
 

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Independent Senators sponsor Seanad reform Bill
Speaking at a media event in Leinster House on Wednesday, Independent Senator Michael McDowell said he believed the Bill would be adopted.

“I believe the Taoiseach is committed to it. He has publicly endorsed it and it is part of the programme for government,” said Mr McDowell.
will Kenny make it happen?
 

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Any sign of reform yet?petunia
 

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Mr Kenny told us he would reform the Senate,he had no interest.
Its now worse than ever, Its a rest home for rejects and cronies
and now its been used by Mr Kenny for dirty side deals with Fianna
Fail just to keep himself in the Taoiseachs office,

YaaaaaaaaaWwwwwnnnnn :
 

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Any sign of reform yet?petunia
REPEAT

'REFORM' of the Seanad is just a load of hogwash.

Reforming the Seanad by having it more directly elected and giving it more power, as seems to be advocated by a group of politicians, is just creating another Dail. We already have one of those.

Giving power to passport-holding emigrants and Northern Ireland citizens to elect this 'reformed' Seanad would give power to those who do not pay taxes in this country.
 

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Kennys nominations for the senate says it all really.

O'Reilly awful in health gets rewarded.

Coffey awful in housing, in you go.

Heard o'Ceidigh, Higgins and Mullan on radio today and only
Mullan was realisitic about what the senate could do.

The other 2 were going to change the world.
 

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Kennys nominations for the senate says it all really. O'Reilly awful in health gets rewarded. Coffey awful in housing, in you go. Heard o'Ceidigh, Higgins and Mullan on radio today and only Mullan was realisitic about what the senate could do. The other 2 were going to change the world.
Alice Mary Higgins talking about he Manning report & your Seanad Bill 2016 having one person one vote as a basis but it doesn't actually propose that at all, the report proposes 30 by vote, 6 by graduates, 11 by Taoiseach and 13 by politicians Working group on Seanad Reform - Department of Taoiseach http://www.rte.ie/cspodcasts/media.mp3?c1=2&c2=16951747&ns_site=test&ns_type=clickin&rte_vs_ct=aud&rte_vs_sc=pod&rte_mt_sec=radio&rte_vs_sn=radio1&rte_mt_pub_dt=2016-06-08&rte_mt_prg_name=test-todaywithseanorourke&title=The New Seanad &c7=http://podcast.rasset.ie/podcasts/audio/2016/0608/20160608_rteradio1-seanorourke-thenewsean_c21001368_21001376_232_.mp3&r=http://podcast.rasset.ie/podcasts/audio/2016/0608/20160608_rteradio1-seanorourke-thenewsean_c21001368_21001376_232_.mp3

Norris and Victor Boyhan mentioned one person, one vote too but does one person, one vote mean not only 1 vote each, but that each vote has the same weight (at first count) https://www.kildarestreet.com/sendebates/?id=2016-06-08a.14


Q Does concept 'one person one vote' imply equal weight to votes (on first count)? yes or no?

Some of the new senators have proposed a Seanad [Reform] Bill http://www.irishtimes.com/news/polit...bill-1.2677439

which isn't available to the public yet but is based on the the Seanad Reform Working group report http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/News...d_Reform_.html

and draft bill http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/Work...Bill_2015_.pdf

The report and bill are based on the notion of avoiding a referendum, they want to change it as much as they can up to that point so are basically proposing 30 votes be voted on by the general public, 13 by politicians (TDs senators and councillors) , the constitutioally provided for graduate and Taoiseach's 11 nominees.


Here is new Senator Alice Mary Higgins on RTE saying she want to reform the Seanad based on based on one person one vote at 3mins 45

http://www.rte.ie/cspodcasts/media.m...01376_232_.mp3

again we can't read the bill she's talking about and it hasn't been published

Elaine Byrne who was on the working group also used the phrase 'on the basis of one person, one vote' in an article discussing Dail Reform

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-31139839.html

and the phrase the principle of one person one vote is used many times in the report

http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/Work...nad_Reform.pdf

both of them are claiming that the majority of the Seanad will be based on one person one vote 36/ out of 60, 30 general + 6 university consitutuency out 60, the bill inlcudes a provisions that people can only vote once in either the graduate constituencies (not for each degree they have as it is now) or in the general public vocational panel constituencies but even then the votes for those 36 seats are not of the same weight, how can 'one person vote' ever be applied to the 6 graduate only votes?

(Senator Victor Boyhan mentioned one person, one vote too on the first day of the Seanad too in relation to their reform efforts

https://www.kildarestreet.com/sendeb...2016-06-08a.14)

so I've explained why Im asking but the question I want an answer to is does the concept and phrase 'one person one vote' inherently imply equal weight to the votes (on first count)? yes or no?

reply to this post the 25th Seanad if you want to discuss it
 
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'REFORM' of the Seanad is just a load of hogwash.

Reforming the Seanad by having it more directly elected and giving it more power, as seems to be advocated by a group of politicians, is just creating another Dail. We already have one of those.
What wrong with that? Personally i would like to see it have more power and be directly elected something similar to the USA 2 senators per county. More checks and balances and less concentration of power the better IMO.
 


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