The 3rd most powerful politician in the USA, for all intents and purposes, says 'up yours' to UK.

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The Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, the 3rd most powerful politician in the US, has issued a warning to the UK that a US-UK trade deal is not going to happen if the GFA reunification of Ireland process is in any way weakened by the Brexit process.

This is code for meaning that the de-facto border between Ireland as a whole and Britain must be in the Irish Sea following the UK departure from the EU, or there will be no future US-UK trade deal.

The irony for the UK is that the very fact it is looking to make international trade deals while in the backstop, means there will be a de-facto border between Ireland as a whole and Britain in the Irish Sea anyway - because the only way the UK can make international trade deals is if the UK renege on part of the backstop and Britain alone do the deals and leave the occupied 6 counties of Ireland in the EU CU and SM.

'Don’t even think about it': Pelosi warns UK that US trade deal is non-runner if Good Friday Agreement is threatened

“We made it clear that the Good Friday Accord for us, they are not just a peace agreement, it so much more elevated” due to the hundreds of years of conflict that ended with the signing of that document 21 years ago."

Pelosi warns against weakening peace deal

"This is not a treaty only, it's an ideal, it's a value, it's something that's a model to the world, something that we all take pride in."

"It was a model and other people have used it as a model and we don't want that model to be something that can be bargained away in another agreement."

BBC News this evening.

 


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The implication of the US attitude to Brexit is more fundamental than the imposition of an Irish sea border.

It means that the UK as a whole should maintain the customs union or even reverse the reckless decision to leave.
 

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The Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, the 3rd most powerful politician in the US, has issued a warning to the UK that a US-UK trade deal is not going to happen if the GFA reunification of Ireland process is in any way weakened by the Brexit process.

This is code for meaning that the de-facto border between Ireland as a whole and Britain must be in the Irish Sea following the UK departure from the EU, or there will be no future US-UK trade deal.

The irony for the UK is that the very fact it is looking to make international trade deals while in the backstop, means there will be a de-facto border between Ireland as a whole and Britain in the Irish Sea anyway - because the only way the UK can make international trade deals is if the UK renege on part of the backstop and Britain alone do the deals and leave the occupied 6 counties of Ireland in the EU CU and SM.

'Don’t even think about it': Pelosi warns UK that US trade deal is non-runner if Good Friday Agreement is threatened

“We made it clear that the Good Friday Accord for us, they are not just a peace agreement, it so much more elevated” due to the hundreds of years of conflict that ended with the signing of that document 21 years ago."

Pelosi warns against weakening peace deal

"This is not a treaty only, it's an ideal, it's a value, it's something that's a model to the world, something that we all take pride in."

"It was a model and other people have used it as a model and we don't want that model to be something that can be bargained away in another agreement."

BBC News this evening.

Calling her the "3rd Most Powerful" politician in the USA probably overstates the role of the pitiful Mike Pence.

In another part of the field, Jeremy Corbyn is saying the Tory plan for massive de-regulation of UK industry (environmental, worker safety, social safety net) via a Trump Trade Agreement is a major obstacle in the Brexit talks. Brexit was only always a neo-liberal wolf in sheep's clothing.

Tory deregulation agenda stalling Brexit talks, says Corbyn
 

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The implication of the US attitude to Brexit is more fundamental than the imposition of an Irish sea border.

It means that the UK as a whole should maintain the customs union or even reverse the reckless decision to leave.
Be that as it may, Pelosi's and Richard Neal's comments are in the context of no border in Ireland.

If the brits do what they say they are going to do and make their own separate international trade deals, that means a de-facto border between Ireland as a whole and Britain must be in the Irish Sea - as far as the yanks are concerned, and the EU.
 

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Calling her the "3rd Most Powerful" politician in the USA probably overstates the role of the pitiful Mike Pence.

In another part of the field, Jeremy Corbyn is saying the Tory plan for massive de-regulation of UK industry (environmental, worker safety, social safety net) via a Trump Trade Agreement is a major obstacle in the Brexit talks. Brexit was only always a neo-liberal wolf in sheep's clothing.

Tory deregulation agenda stalling Brexit talks, says Corbyn
If it was possible to double down on the stupidity of swallowing brexit, falling for Trump's BS promise of a "huge trade partnership" would be it.
It's just an appallingly transparent ruse by Trump to crash them out for his own personal satisfaction (and of course Putin's) of seeing Europe disunited.

Pelosi is having a glorious Indian summer career and hasn't put a foot wrong since November
I felt it was time for her to go 6 months ago, but happy to be proven wrong

A top class performer and a class act
Good to see her fight our corner with the Tans.
 
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Calling her the "3rd Most Powerful" politician in the USA probably overstates the role of the pitiful Mike Pence.

In another part of the field, Jeremy Corbyn is saying the Tory plan for massive de-regulation of UK industry (environmental, worker safety, social safety net) via a Trump Trade Agreement is a major obstacle in the Brexit talks. Brexit was only always a neo-liberal wolf in sheep's clothing.

Tory deregulation agenda stalling Brexit talks, says Corbyn
I guess you could argue she is third behind McConnell given the Senate's role in confirmations. Of course the ill-informed OP will not have meant that - he'll have equated succession with power and assumed Pence is more powerful than Pelosi.

Of course what it means - when you get away from his nonsense wet dream of a border down the Irish Sea - is that the backstop or something that looks very like it is going to be necessary in all circumstances where Brexit happens. There will be no WA without the backstop. And if there is no WA, there will be no post-no deal negotiations that don't start with an insistence on solving the border (and the money and citizens' rights) before any trade talks.
 

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Glad to see Boyle keeping the ERG honest on the border issue
 

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I guess you could argue she is third behind McConnell given the Senate's role in confirmations. Of course the ill-informed OP will not have meant that - he'll have equated succession with power and assumed Pence is more powerful than Pelosi.

Of course what it means - when you get away from his nonsense wet dream of a border down the Irish Sea - is that the backstop or something that looks very like it is going to be necessary in all circumstances where Brexit happens. There will be no WA without the backstop. And if there is no WA, there will be no post-no deal negotiations that don't start with an insistence on solving the border (and the money and citizens' rights) before any trade talks.
Pelosi gave a good speech to the Dail and Seanad today. RTE panel dead impressed. Ok, no Trump supporters there, but she hit it out of the park.

Tommie Gorman was good as usual. Pelosi "getting her retaliation in first" & telling Trump the Democrats have a role in foreign policy and in trade. That is before Trump visits, if he does.

He also said "The Americans get Brexit. The British do not." He is ironically right - the British seem pathetically gullible about Trump's promises of a "great trade deal" after Brexit. What the f**k do they think "America First" means?

It is noteworthy that John Bolton, Trump and Sarah Sanders have been talking up Brexit, and it is clear they see advantages in a UK bound hand and foot to the US. It is a front in a wider war between Democrats and Trump over foreign policy and trade.
 

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It is noteworthy that John Bolton, Trump and Sarah Sanders have been talking up Brexit, and it is clear they see advantages in a UK bound hand and foot to the US. It is a front in a wider war between Democrats and Trump over foreign policy and trade.
Getting trade agreements approved by Congress is notoriously difficult and sometimes literally involves horse trading, the senator for Kentucky trades his vote for an exemption for race horses and the senator for North Dakota needs a gambling concession. If you throw in something as popular as the Good Friday agreement and Trump has no chance of negotiating and getting a trade agreement approved before the end of a second term if he got one.
 

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Its great that we allow American politicians to interfere in our business
 

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Getting trade agreements approved by Congress is notoriously difficult and sometimes literally involves horse trading, the senator for Kentucky trades his vote for an exemption for race horses and the senator for North Dakota needs a gambling concession. If you throw in something as popular as the Good Friday agreement and Trump has no chance of negotiating and getting a trade agreement approved before the end of a second term if he got one.
He has not even got NAFTA II through yet, though nobody would notice if it died. It would make little difference.
 

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A tour de force visit by the Speaker, and the warmth and general goodwill towards her today will not have escaped the tub of lard in the White House
I do not expect to see him this year as he has again promised.
This guy only does cult adoration gigs and/or gigs were he can bully and bluster his way around (G8, G20 etc).
Ireland ticks neither box.
The feting of Pelosi will anger him, and he is so thin skinned, I would not be surprised to see him issue some nasty pro Brexit anti GFA swipe via twitter over next few days. I think we can safely say he will be in twitter meltdown tomorrow anyway

I laughed reading Ronan Mullen left the chamber when Pelosi began speaking about the wonderful new modern Ireland and recent welcome legislative changes
No doubt a pressing Easter week obligation, flailing himself half to death with sharpened rosary beads probably.

Pelosi is a class act
 
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The G.F.A. has given official agreement to have the U.K. interfere in our business
 

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The G.F.A. has given official agreement to have the U.K. interfere in our business
Only until we Irish have a majority to end the Unionists artificial veto on democracy in the occupied 6 counties of Ireland - and the stupid English just gave us Irish people another inducement to vote for the reunification of our people, our country, and to England's ongoing interference in Ireland - namely brexit.

This is only going to end one way for you locationally challenged Unionists trapped in Ireland.
 


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