The abandonment of the principles of 1916 and the coming crisis.

SevenStars

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Nemesis has now it seemed just begun her work against this sorry land so we should to begin to try to understand the underlying reasons behind the disaster that is quickly overtaking us.

What were the overlying principles that drove the men and women of 1916? Courage, empathy and uniting them sacrifice.

The important thing in life is not winning or losing but doing the right thing, regardless of what the consequences, no matter how dire or possibly destructive of self in the world, are. Our state though was founded on the treaty which not only was an immoral compromise but involved the betrayal of thousands of our fellow country in what can rightly be regarded as the jewel in Ireland's crown (the six north eastern counties). On this rotten foundation compromise was followed by compromise over all if not every year and in every way (the early years of Dev certainly held out some promise).

What happens when a human person turns away from his own conscience? We all have an internal need for some type of judgement on ourselves and our actions. If a human doesnt develop an internal moral centre which can judge him or her they will enveitably turn outwards and their life is quickly a pathetic chase after approval by others for the mere sake of approval by others, transforming themselves into what they perceive or even just hope others will approve or at least like, moving further and further from their own centre till they no longer have a clue who they are (though often such people can put on a mask of smug arrogance). Often the initial "fall from Grace" in these situations is based on a compromise with or weakness in the face of generally known evil that they refuse to recognize as such and repent of. What can happen with individuals can also happen to wider cultures and nations as a whole.

While Im the first one to say that Ireland's connections with wider European culture should be cherished and indeed strengthened...Did we really since that happening during the "celtic tiger" years or by the "Mary Robinson generation"? I think it could all to tragically be seen that far to often we pathetically acted out what we imagined "decadent Europeans" believed and behaved like during the time when we were fooling ourselves about "Holy,Holy,Holy Catholic Ireland". Do we know who we are as a people as a whole anymore?

I believe what frightens people about Pearse is that as the great German political philospher said about was that in the best Francisican tradition he identified himself with the Irish people as they really were in their slums worse than Calcutta and eeking out a bare subsistence from soil and waves, identified himself with all their suffering and humiliation and than offered himself up in sacrifice for them. Someone told me once that when they did volunteer work handing out soup and sandwiches to homeless people on the streets of Dublin they were continually asked by people who would no doubtless consider themselves good why they were wasting their time in the cold doing such a thing....These people were honestly if such a word can be used about anything to do with the "new Ireland" why someone would make such a basically small sacrifice for others.

The sense of one-ness with others, that their joys and sufferings are your joys and sufferings, has become a increasing rare and even as something bizzare to many people...And yet that goes completely and we fell no empathy with others than its possible to do anything at all to them.

Just some thoughts....No doubt this thread will be trolled but I am hopeful that at least a few will be able to add more to my thoughts.
 


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What were the overlying principles that drove the men and women of 1916? Courage, empathy and uniting them sacrifice.

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Terrorist supporting scum like you should be invoking the men of 1916. Your support of the worst and most brutal regimes proves you are the opposite of these men.
 

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Germany came to help the 1916 men, unfortunately the gallant allies in Europe came 94 years too late.
 

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The sad fact is that the ideals of 1916 were buried by the free state traitors in 1922. The Republic of poets was cast aside, and the free state of gombeens and their lackies put in its place.
 

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Principles totally compromised.

It's seems that the likes of James Connolly,Padraig Pearse and Michael Collins who fought for independence have been totally and utterly compromised and betrayed by our so-called leaders...A century ago this country was ruled from London and now we are been ruled from Brussels.

Zanu-FF,FG,Labour,the bankers,the trade union leadership and the developers should tried for treason...However I feel
that it is too late.:mad:
 

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It's seems that the likes of James Connolly,Padraig Pearse and Michael Collins who fought for independence have been totally and utterly compromised and betrayed by our so-called leaders...A century ago this country was ruled from London and now we are been ruled from Brussels.

Zanu-FF,FG,Labour,the bankers,the trade union leadership and the developers should tried for treason...However I feel
that it is too late.:mad:
Michael Collins begun according to the OP the moral disintergration of the Irish nation. The reasoning is laid out above.

Also Zanu-PF is bravely struggling against colonialism and their willingly endured suffering to assert their own human dignity is now beginning to be paid back...Comparing them to Fianna Fail who are now starting to taste the fruits of their ill gotten gains is just stupid.
 

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FF,FG,Labour,the bankers,the trade union leadership and the developers should tried for treason...However I feel
that it is too late.:mad:
But what about our treachery...The treachery, cowardice and mean spiritedness of each and every one of us? How much are we personally different from those you mention and would we really have acted differently if we were put their positions of power?

Sometimes people really do get the goverments that they deserve.
 

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Sometimes people really do get the goverments that they deserve.[/QUOTE]

A very good point indeed.

Well...I did not vote for Zanu-FF or FG for that matter of fact...So I am not to blame...I didn't vote for these people.
 

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The most serious principle abandoned was the implicit aim of governing democratically in the national interest.

Ireland takes it's place 'among the nations of the world'; not dissolves it's existence in a supra-national entity.
 

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Terrorist supporting scum like you should be invoking the men of 1916. Your support of the worst and most brutal regimes proves you are the opposite of these men.
No, I think it's right wing tramps like yourself that have no right to invoke the men and women of 1916. You are exactly the type, and you are in the majority I must say, that would have scoffed and did scoff at the men and women of 1916.

Tell me this, you obviously support armed liberation struggles if you support 1916, what armed liberation struggles with a strong leftist character like that of 1916 do you support today?
 

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The Randomness Of Lemons
 

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Anti-Democratic, self interest, self appointed guardians who consider the people too idiotic to know whats best for them...I'd say we're doing a good job of keeping up the 1916 traditions SS
 

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Anti-Democratic, self interest, self appointed guardians who consider the people too idiotic to know whats best for them...I'd say we're doing a good job of keeping up the 1916 traditions SS
Democracy is over rated...The majiority has no right to do wrong, etc, etc...

The problem with Fianna Fail is that they have in general just reflected the people rather than actually led...Nothing "anti-democratic" about them as such.

And as for self-interest...1916 expresses perfectly the spirit of sacrifice. It wasnt about self-interest at all.
 

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Anti-Democratic, self interest, self appointed guardians who consider the people too idiotic to know whats best for them...I'd say we're doing a good job of keeping up the 1916 traditions SS
Here we go with this langer again.
:roll: How did you get on with yer Poppys? I thought you would be busy counting your money and not making comments on here.
 


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