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The aim of British Imperialism


amblincork

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The general aim of British Imperialism by J.A Cramb, Professor of Modern History, Queens College, London. 1913./14

This is an extract from notes on a series of lectures given by Professor Cramb in 1913/1914 in anticipation of a forthcoming conflict with Germany.
He sums up what he beleives to be the aims of British Imperialism.

“ If I were asked to describe in one sentence the general aim of British Imperialism during the last two centuries and a half, I should answer in the spirit of Dionysius : To give all men within its bounds an English mind, to give all who come within its sway the power to look at a man’s life, at the past, at the future, from the standpoint of an Englishman; to defuse within its bounds that high tolerance in religion which had marked this empire since its beginning; that reverence yet boldness before the mysteriousness of life and death characteristic of our great poets and our great thinkers ; that love of free institutions, that pursuit of an ever - higher justice and a larger freedom which rightly or wrongly we associate with the temper and character of our race wherever it is dominant and secure. “

The average Irish person may not agree with his view point of course.
 


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The general aim of British Imperialism by J.A Cramb, Professor of Modern History, Queens College, London. 1913./14

This is an extract from notes on a series of lectures given by Professor Cramb in 1913/1914 in anticipation of a forthcoming conflict with Germany.
He sums up what he beleives to be the aims of British Imperialism.

“ If I were asked to describe in one sentence the general aim of British Imperialism during the last two centuries and a half, I should answer in the spirit of Dionysius : To give all men within its bounds an English mind, to give all who come within its sway the power to look at a man’s life, at the past, at the future, from the standpoint of an Englishman; to defuse within its bounds that high tolerance in religion which had marked this empire since its beginning; that reverence yet boldness before the mysteriousness of life and death characteristic of our great poets and our great thinkers ; that love of free institutions, that pursuit of an ever - higher justice and a larger freedom which rightly or wrongly we associate with the temper and character of our race wherever it is dominant and secure. “

The average Irish person may not agree with his view point of course.
I was shaking my head in agreement through the first half of his statement. Of course that is exactly what was imposed by the English. They tried to make all of us talk, act, and think like they did and do. But when he started in about a "high tolerance in religion" my head was going in a perpindicular motion. What tolerance? First they tried to make all Irish into Catholics like in England, then with Henry VIII and after, they attempted to force all into the Church of England(Church of Ireland) through the sword then their law. And then to add further insult he talks of bring justice and freedom, hahahahahaha. Never in all the time, 1169 to present has there been freedom or justice in all of Ireland under their laws. But then to paraphrase many American natives, the English speak with forked tongues.
 

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Yes but you must admit that there probably would nt have been too many Irish attending his lectures in 1914 !
 

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Their primary aim in my opinion was wealth and land , i think also they seem to have convinced themselves that they were bringing civilization to the masses when in fact in many cases it was quite the opposite.
 

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Their primary aim in my opinion was wealth and land , i think also they seem to have convinced themselves that they were bringing civilization to the masses when in fact in many cases it was quite the opposite.
You mean masses to the civilized? Another catholic plot uncovered...
 

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English Imperialism never had a specific 'aim'.

If it had any sense of purpose at all it was to increase Trade and Profits and shove aside any people or power who stood in their way.

Retrospective justification esp in the late Victorian Era and pre WWI was to put a gloss on all this.
 

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The purpose of British Imperialism was to grab natural resources and control markets. Their main ideological tool was to divide the subject populations along religious or tribal lines.
 

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Americans were British - ethnic British and British in every way, prior to separation. They were not a subject people. More like the ethnic British in Australia and New Zealand.

The Scots were and are British - ethnic British and British in every way. Great Britain would not exist without The Scots. The Scots played a disproportionate role in building The British Empire.
 

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Americans were British - ethnic British and British in every way, prior to separation. They were not a subject people. More like the ethnic British in Australia and New Zealand.

The Scots were and are British - ethnic British and British in every way. Great Britain would not exist without The Scots. The Scots played a disproportionate role in building The British Empire.

There is no such thing as "ethnic British". "British" is an invented term - like the country. The Americans were half Irish.
 

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The Americans were Scotch Irish - definitely not Irish. Ask any educated American. The Irish Irish arrived much later to dig ditches and bootleg booze etc.
 

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The Americans were Scotch Irish - definitely not Irish. Ask any educated American. The Irish Irish arrived much later to dig ditches and bootleg booze etc.

No, they were Irish - and they were anti-British. So, why was that then?
 

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The Americans were Scotch Irish - definitely not Irish. Ask any educated American. The Irish Irish arrived much later to dig ditches and bootleg booze etc.
At the end of the Jacobite war,in Ireland there was a large migration out of Ireland(Flight of the Wild Geese). The largest portion fled to the continent, however a good number came to the colonies. Then between the 1717 and 1775, due to British trade restrictions, some 250,000 Ulster Irish migrated to America. Though a very large proportion were indeed Scotch-Irish there were Ulster Irish in that migration. Also remember that some of the Scots who were in the plantation of Ulster did inter marry with the Irish in that 150 year period.
 

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No, they were Irish - and they were anti-British. So, why was that then?
By far the largest migration of Irish came to America after the American Revolution,1781. There was a small migration in the early 1800's, but the famine years and after brought millions of Irish from the entire isle. In that migration many who lived the crossing were starving and sick when landing. There were so many that that was the period(post US civil war) in which anti-Irish sentiment arose.
 

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No, they were Irish - and they were anti-British. So, why was that then?
The Presbyterians who emigrated to America were anti- English, and anti- established church. They were the same stock who made up the United Irishmen in Ulster in the 1790's.
In Canada the British government were able to legislate that the religion of Quebec was to be Catholic. In Ireland they couldn't even pass repeal laws because of landed opposition.
 

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Yes, but America revolted, Ireland revolted, Scotland revolted, India revolted, Khartoum revolted. Why did not Australia and Canada revolt?

Austrialia and Canada are only recent converts to the federal system of government. Most of their States/Provinces operated independently until after the Second World War.

Khartoum was never fully controlled by the British in the first place, and India didn't revolt.

America got into an arguement over taxation which the Brits stupidly allowed to get out of hand. They love the Brits really, and go do-lally for the monarchy.

Ireland would never have revolted if the boys of 1916 hadn't given the populous a kick up the ars* and woken them out of their comfortable imperial slumber.
 

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Americans were British - ethnic British and British in every way, prior to separation. They were not a subject people. More like the ethnic British in Australia and New Zealand.

The Scots were and are British - ethnic British and British in every way. Great Britain would not exist without The Scots. The Scots played a disproportionate role in building The British Empire.

Agreed!

In America the W.A.S.P.'s rule the roust! There have been many President's with Irish lineage, but only one was Catholic.
 

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And I forgot to mention that there were Irish men, women, and children forcible transported to the Caribbean islands and southern prison colonies in large numbers by the Cromwell government as slaves and prisoners.
 

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The Presbyterians who emigrated to America were anti- English, and anti- established church. They were the same stock who made up the United Irishmen in Ulster in the 1790's.
In Canada the British government were able to legislate that the religion of Quebec was to be Catholic. In Ireland they couldn't even pass repeal laws because of landed opposition.
Those Ulster Scotch-Irish also took their entire households including servants who were Irish and Catholic.
 

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