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The appalling pay scale of new teachers.


RobertW

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The salary pay scale below applies to new teachers as announced in a recent circular from the Department of Education & Skills. No allowances are entitled to the new teacher.

http://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0008_2013.pdf

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Point
1 € 30,702
2 € 32,198
3 € 33,168
4 € 34,136
5 € 36,576
6 € 37,795
7 € 39,251
8 € 40,700
9 € 42,160
10 € 43,380
11 € 44,996
12 € 44,996
13 € 44,996
14 € 47,225
15 € 47,225
16 € 47,225
17 € 47,225
18 € 50,170
19 € 50,170
20 € 50,170
21 € 50,170
22 € 53,423

The starting teacher takes up at point 1 on the scale at € 30,702. After 21 years of service the wage increases to €53,423 with no wage increase thereafter for 14 years until a small allowance for teachers with 35 years service (currently €2,091).

After 20 years of service the teacher will take home a NET wage of approximately €2,400 per month or €28,800 per year.

Given that the new teacher has their mandatory pension calculated on the basis of AVERAGE CAREER EARNINGS rather than number of years of service/80 and also noting the fact that the new teacher cannot rise on the incremental scale unless they are on a contract of 18 hours or more of teaching per week. . . This represents an appalling deal for new teachers.

And all with the complicity of the leadership of the ASTI, TUI & INTO . . . . With its introduction from the champagne socialists in the Labour Party.
 

Asparagus

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The salary pay scale below applies to new teachers as announced in a recent circular from the Department of Education & Skills. No allowances are entitled to the new teacher.

http://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0008_2013.pdf

Page 6

Point
1 € 30,702
2 € 32,198
3 € 33,168
4 € 34,136
5 € 36,576
6 € 37,795
7 € 39,251
8 € 40,700
9 € 42,160
10 € 43,380
11 € 44,996
12 € 44,996
13 € 44,996
14 € 47,225
15 € 47,225
16 € 47,225
17 € 47,225
18 € 50,170
19 € 50,170
20 € 50,170
21 € 50,170
22 € 53,423

The starting teacher takes up at point 1 on the scale at € 30,702. After 21 years of service the wage increases to €53,423 with no wage increase thereafter for 14 years until a small allowance for teachers with 35 years service (currently €2,091).

After 20 years of service the teacher will take home a NET wage of approximately €2,400 per month or €28,800 per year.

Given that the new teacher has their mandatory pension calculated on the basis of AVERAGE CAREER EARNINGS rather than number of years of service/80 and also noting the fact that the new teacher cannot rise on the incremental scale unless they are on a contract of 18 hours or more of teaching per week. . . This represents an appalling deal for new teachers.

And all with the complicity of the leadership of the ASTI, TUI & INTO . . . . With its introduction from the champagne socialists in the Labour Party.
What's ridiculous is that the current pigs at the trough aren't all forced onto this contract.
 

Con Gallagher

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Why does the pay automatically rise as the years advance? (In my experience the best teachers were those who were 5-10 years post qualification - not those 15 years plus). Can an objective basis for pay rises not be found? (eg one which excludes bias by principal/parents but makes allowances for continuing development, extra-curricula activities, academic results, attendance, punctuality, school-yard supervision, breakfast club participation).
 

Con Gallagher

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After ten years pay increases three times over the next 12
But why? What's the basis for it? Where is the evidence that such pay rises are justified on educational grounds? Why should someone get paid a higher rate for doing the same job (perhaps to the same class) the three years before?
 

EoinMag

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The salary pay scale below applies to new teachers as announced in a recent circular from the Department of Education & Skills. No allowances are entitled to the new teacher.

http://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0008_2013.pdf

Page 6

Point
1 € 30,702
2 € 32,198
3 € 33,168
4 € 34,136
5 € 36,576
6 € 37,795
7 € 39,251
8 € 40,700
9 € 42,160
10 € 43,380
11 € 44,996
12 € 44,996
13 € 44,996
14 € 47,225
15 € 47,225
16 € 47,225
17 € 47,225
18 € 50,170
19 € 50,170
20 € 50,170
21 € 50,170
22 € 53,423

The starting teacher takes up at point 1 on the scale at € 30,702. After 21 years of service the wage increases to €53,423 with no wage increase thereafter for 14 years until a small allowance for teachers with 35 years service (currently €2,091).

After 20 years of service the teacher will take home a NET wage of approximately €2,400 per month or €28,800 per year.

Given that the new teacher has their mandatory pension calculated on the basis of AVERAGE CAREER EARNINGS rather than number of years of service/80 and also noting the fact that the new teacher cannot rise on the incremental scale unless they are on a contract of 18 hours or more of teaching per week. . . This represents an appalling deal for new teachers.

And all with the complicity of the leadership of the ASTI, TUI & INTO . . . . With its introduction from the champagne socialists in the Labour Party.

It looks like they are still above the median starting wage for Irish graduates, at least going by 2010 rates.

Salaries and benefits for new graduates : gradireland.com

Starting salaries

The survey showed that graduate salaries vary greatly both by sector and region. 5.8 per cent of new graduates will earn less than €20,000 in their first year, while 14.5 per cent can make more than €34,000. The median starting salary for a graduate in 2010 was €24,000. This maintains the decrease on salaries from the 2008 peak, where the median graduate salary was in the €26,000– €27,999 bracket. The median graduate salary for Ireland projected for 2011 is €25,000, which is an increase from the predicted figure of €24,000 from 12 months ago. This reflects the fact that while there may be fewer graduate jobs overall, there is still considerable competition amongst leading employers for the cream of the graduate crop.
I'd quit yer bellyaching and realise how lucky they still are.
 

cyberianpan

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€30k per annum is above both the median and mean annual wages for Ireland. Your evidence shows teachers to be highly paid with progression not being on merit.

cYp
 

Aindriu

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Get used to it RobertW. The gravy train is starting to slow down - and not before time.
 

Bea C

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As somebody who's stuck living at home in spite of pushing 30, making a few quid book-keeping while I do (more) exams, I must admit - perhaps it's just bitterness on my part - but my heart does not bleed for a (in college three years...) 21-year old to be starting out on that.
 

RobertW

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quit yer bellyaching and realise how lucky they still are.
Have you any statistics for wages after 20 years across the professions?

Don't forget to include benefit-in-kind information that do not apply to the teacher . . . Like bonuses, VHI paid, parties paid for, car allowances, mobile phone allowances,
 

statsman

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The salary pay scale below applies to new teachers as announced in a recent circular from the Department of Education & Skills. No allowances are entitled to the new teacher.

http://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0008_2013.pdf

Page 6

Point
1 € 30,702
2 € 32,198
3 € 33,168
4 € 34,136
5 € 36,576
6 € 37,795
7 € 39,251
8 € 40,700
9 € 42,160
10 € 43,380
11 € 44,996
12 € 44,996
13 € 44,996
14 € 47,225
15 € 47,225
16 € 47,225
17 € 47,225
18 € 50,170
19 € 50,170
20 € 50,170
21 € 50,170
22 € 53,423

The starting teacher takes up at point 1 on the scale at € 30,702. After 21 years of service the wage increases to €53,423 with no wage increase thereafter for 14 years until a small allowance for teachers with 35 years service (currently €2,091).

After 20 years of service the teacher will take home a NET wage of approximately €2,400 per month or €28,800 per year.

Given that the new teacher has their mandatory pension calculated on the basis of AVERAGE CAREER EARNINGS rather than number of years of service/80 and also noting the fact that the new teacher cannot rise on the incremental scale unless they are on a contract of 18 hours or more of teaching per week. . . This represents an appalling deal for new teachers.

And all with the complicity of the leadership of the ASTI, TUI & INTO . . . . With its introduction from the champagne socialists in the Labour Party.
Fairly generous; what are the holidays like? Where do I apply?
 

H.R. Haldeman

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Yup, and when young teachers tried to protest about it, what support did they get from their unions and senior colleagues?

None. Absolutely none. The opposite in fact - their case was damned by faint support.

Ladder pulled up, tough titties if you didn't make it up on time.

Yet another example in this country of wealth transfer from the young to the old. Sickening.
 

statsman

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Have you any statistics for wages after 20 years across the professions?

Don't forget to include benefit-in-kind information that do not apply to the teacher . . . Like bonuses, VHI paid, parties paid for, car allowances, mobile phone allowances,
Pensions?
 

RobertW

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As somebody who's stuck living at home in spite of pushing 30, making a few quid book-keeping while I do (more) exams, I must admit - perhaps it's just bitterness on my part - but my heart does not bleed for a (in college three years...) 21-year old to be starting out on that.
Thing is . . . Virtually none of them "Start out on that".

They'll be waiting years "start out on that".

But you shouldn't allow your ignorance to get in the way of a good rant.
 

EoinMag

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Have you any statistics for wages after 20 years across the professions?

Don't forget to include benefit-in-kind information that do not apply to the teacher . . . Like bonuses, VHI paid, parties paid for, car allowances, mobile phone allowances,

Keep posting Robert, you're being very "helpful".

I'd never have known this if you hadn't shone a light :) thanks.
 

bob3344

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Sounds like a good deal, especially when you take the endless holidays into consideration.

Teachers have been moaning since I was a kid, only rivalled by farmers for bellyaching, you'd swear they were press-ganged into service.
 

RobertW

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Yup, and when young teachers tried to protest about it, what support did they get from their unions and senior colleagues?

None. Absolutely none. The opposite in fact - their case was damned by faint support.

Ladder pulled up, tough titties if you didn't make it up on time.

Yet another example in this country of wealth transfer from the young to the old. Sickening.
I agree.
 
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