The arrogance of Stephen Collins at the Irish Times

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If I have to read one more pompous sermon from a media pundit about taking the rap for the politican, banker and property developer created crisis, I'm going to abandon my committment to pacifism and make it my business to punch the ****ers lights out.

"In the Dáil during the week Cowen had the appearance of a man resigned to doing what is required. While the hysterical reaction to the October budget doesn’t give him any great grounds for optimism about the electorate’s ability to understand its own interests, in the short term Fianna Fáil’s best option is still to do what is necessary and hope for the best. In any case, there is no other choice."

As a means of issuing an invitation to being lynched this could hardly be bettered, in the circumstances.

How much longer are we going to have read and listen to idiots like Collins railing at us about how we don't 'get it'. Stephen, it is YOU who isn't getting it, ya numpty. Sucking up to the PD/IBEC crowd with dumb journalism like this may earn you brownie points in that quarter (a constituency you have been positively servile to in your outpourings as a rule) but if I were Geraldine Kennedy I'd tell you to shut your trap before you get the IT's offices fire-bombed for this sort of insulting, provocative drivel. But I'm forgetting, GK has no sense of irony or perspective about such matters either, apparently.

Cowen has nothing to lose by going for broke in budget - The Irish Times - Sat, Mar 14, 2009
 


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As a means of issuing an invitation to being lynched this could hardly be bettered, in the circumstances.

... but if I were Geraldine Kennedy I'd tell you to shut your trap before you get the IT's offices fire-bombed for this sort of insulting, provocative drivel.
Ah, would ya get up the yard with your childish incitement to violence.

Bet you wouldn't know a fire-bomb if it bit you on the ar5e.
 

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brian leniian has to take 2500 euro MORE from each of the two million workers in this country just to achieve a 9.5% deficit. Do you get it yet?
 

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brian leniian has to take 2500 euro MORE from each of the two million workers in this country just to achieve a 9.5% deficit. Do you get it yet?
Only because he won't eliminate spending schemes which have reached their sell by date.
 

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I think it's a good article. The following sums up a major part of the dilemma.
There is a school of thought that it would be better to wait for outside forces to take control of our affairs and let them implement the kind of cost-cutting measures that would make any Irish government unelectable. However, such an abdication of responsibility would certainly come back to haunt the government of the day and throw serious doubts over the future survival of the political parties involved.
For years now, Irish (mostly FF) governments have done exactly this. Most legislative change in this country has originated from the EU, which has allowed them to blame the EU for any negative consequences. Our clientilist, populist, political system doesn't seem to be capable of doing the right thing on its own.
 

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Don't like Collins but on this occasion he is dead right. Also physical threats, however jocose, are inappropriate in any forum.
 

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There is a modicum of truth in the suggestion that the 'people' do not yet 'get it' When they do, those who created the mess, and that includes FF and the PD, need to seriously consider all moving to Ulick's summer residence in the south of France. Although come to think of it , France may not be the best choice!!!
Regarding Collins and his piece, he has been very poor on this issue and like Whelan, it is clear that he is not an impartial observer.
 

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If I have to read one more pompous sermon from a media pundit about taking the rap for the politican, banker and property developer created crisis, I'm going to abandon my committment to pacifism and make it my business to punch the ****ers lights out.

"In the Dáil during the week Cowen had the appearance of a man resigned to doing what is required. While the hysterical reaction to the October budget doesn’t give him any great grounds for optimism about the electorate’s ability to understand its own interests, in the short term Fianna Fáil’s best option is still to do what is necessary and hope for the best. In any case, there is no other choice."

As a means of issuing an invitation to being lynched this could hardly be bettered, in the circumstances.

How much longer are we going to have read and listen to idiots like Collins railing at us about how we don't 'get it'. Stephen, it is YOU who isn't getting it, ya numpty. Sucking up to the PD/IBEC crowd with dumb journalism like this may earn you brownie points in that quarter (a constituency you have been positively servile to in your outpourings as a rule) but if I were Geraldine Kennedy I'd tell you to shut your trap before you get the IT's offices fire-bombed for this sort of insulting, provocative drivel. But I'm forgetting, GK has no sense of irony or perspective about such matters either, apparently.

Cowen has nothing to lose by going for broke in budget - The Irish Times - Sat, Mar 14, 2009
Dont always agree with Collins but he is spot on in this article.

You on the other hand - go get a fricking life if stating the bleeding obvious provokes you to such heights of hysteria such as bombing the free press.
 

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On Vincent Browne recently a retired tax man said two thirds of the gap between revenue and expenditure could only be bridged by expenditure cuts, that taxes alone could at best raise one third of the deficit. So by that reckoning the PS are in for some savage cuts.
 

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brian leniian has to take 2500 euro MORE from each of the two million workers in this country just to achieve a 9.5% deficit. Do you get it yet?
They will have to reverse/reduce the bailouts for Anglo and others and leave certain people go to a hell enitrely of their own making. Why are the government throwing billions at failed banks like Anglo and at private R&D schemes? We know whose 'interests' are being catered for alright and it is not ours - not in the least - NOTHING is being done to protect the people of this country. In the Irish Times the other day it was revealed how 1billion worth of hazily accounted for subsides in just one such R&D scheme had shown NO dividends whatsoever for Ireland. Now they are throwing even MORE money at it - 650 million - with no transparency whatsoever about the detail of how, who and what this money is really being used for. The whole R&D thing is a filthy, stinking gravy train - no strings attached - started up by that vicious cow Mary Harney when she was in trade and enterprise. 9 billion at least has been thrown at this over the last few years - the main beneficiaries are foreign corporations. We pay for them to develop products from which THEY, not us, make all of the profits. And we let them pay insultingly little tax while they are here. Fat-face Harney calls this crap 'innovation' and 'investment'. Her fat ***e it is! Why doesnt Stephen Collins get off his complacent backside and do some reporting about all of that, then?

“It is known that some in Government have been disappointed with the capacity of the 10-year-old Programme for Research in Third-Level Institutions (PRTLI) to result in jobs despite an investment of €1 billion. Even allowing for the long time-lag between research ideas and any subsequent employment, there has been a conspicuous lack of flagship projects where new jobs can be traced back to this investment. There are few guarantees the new alliance will be more successful. But there are reasons to be hopeful. The decision to establish the taskforce, chaired by Taoiseach Brian Cowen, will help to drive the project forward. And there is evidence here of an unprecedented level of partnership between the university system and Government at a time of national economic crisis.

The alliance hopes to attract funding of €650 million over a 10-year period from Government and the private sector. Although it may sound like a great deal, it pales when put beside the billions of dollars available to world leaders like Massachusetts Institute of Technology in the US. On top of that, the new merger will have to be flexible, innovative and cost effective if it is to succeed. Some will cast doubt on the feasibility of the job targets outlined yesterday. But the State has little alternative but to build its research capacity in the fields of science and technology which will dominate the next wave of economic activity. The move to establish the alliance has fuelled understandable fears among the other universities that their research activities will be marginalised. There was a regrettable lack of transparency about the whole process. The other universities must be reassured they have a part to play also in the critical task of building Ireland’s research capacity.”
Today the Irish Times is making up for its temporary lapse in spinning for business and has another article - presumably to cancel out the impression created by the one above- trilling at us that nothing could be better for Ireland than throwing good money after bad. This is a totally failed project and the government is throwing MORE money at it.

Brian Lenihan is agreeing the bankers can earn as much 500K.. This is OUR money, our interests that are being uselessly squandered.

The pay cuts being accepted by RTE presenters, politicians and others are are insultingly small - unless until they are bourght into line with the average person nobody will believe or accept a word they say.
 

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Dont always agree with Collins but he is spot on in this article.

You on the other hand - go get a fricking life if stating the bleeding obvious provokes you to such heights of hysteria such as bombing the free press.
Free press! Don't be an idiot! Fully paid up corporate whores the lot of them - noses buried deep in the property crap that got us all into this and narry a word about what they knew was going on, when they should have been writing about it and exposing the truth. The likes of Collins and Kennedy are as responsible as any banker and property developer for what has happened. They cheerled and hailed them every inch of the way - accusing people who were advocating caution of being 'irresponsible'. Collins and Kennedy should be fired.
 

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So stop all R&D, get the money back from the Banks, and spend it on what?
 

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The pay cuts being accepted by RTE presenters, politicians and others are are insultingly small - unless until they are bourght into line with the average person nobody will believe or accept a word they say.
Well observeed, the likes of Harney et al would have us believe that a person with an income of €250K taking a 10% cut will endure the same pain as a worker with an income of €20k taking the same 10% cut. Minister's salaries need to be at least halved. Let's start from there.
 

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On Vincent Browne recently a retired tax man said two thirds of the gap between revenue and expenditure could only be bridged by expenditure cuts, that taxes alone could at best raise one third of the deficit. So by that reckoning the PS are in for some savage cuts.
There's billions being spent by the government outside the PS,they could probably cut this first 5billion without raising taxes and only marginally affecting public services,but for that they would have to upset the applecart.Just take the Health Service for example,who is it that decides where the cuts have to come ?The administrators,probably the most least effective people in the entire health service when it comes to actually healing/looking after people.All these quangos attached to every department,"advisory boards" ,"consultative committees",are just nice little earners for appointees,with no powers,disband everyone of them immediately.Crazy money being paid out to construction firms everyday,from the paintjob to the office renovation to the school building,way in excess of what you would pay if you actually went out and tried to get the job done yourself.

There is massive fat to be cut before you start raising takes or reducing pay accross the board,both the usual suspects will have to suffer.
 

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Some posters here believe that cutting public services will have zero impact on them. Many surprises àwait.
Quite, but it is what the former tax man said, that only one third of the deficit can be bridged by increased taxes. We should start at the top, Cowen should be on about half of what Merkel gets, for starters.
 

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Free press! Don't be an idiot! Fully paid up corporate whores the lot of them - noses buried deep in the property crap that got us all into this and narry a word about what they knew was going on, when they should have been writing about it and exposing the truth. The likes of Collins and Kennedy are as responsible as any banker and property developer for what has happened. They cheerled and hailed them every inch of the way - accusing people who were advocating caution of being 'irresponsible'. Collins and Kennedy should be fired.
There's far too much slashing and burning on these threads these days and it's not beneficial to any of us. Wouldn't it be much better to concentrate on the various suggestions being advanced to resolve the problems rather than the lava like flow of bile and invective now doing the rounds here and on the airwaves.

Suppose we try to get into a more positive frame of mind, finish with the revision and step out in search of that Brave New World ?
 

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There's billions being spent by the government outside the PS,they could probably cut this first 5billion without raising taxes and only marginally affecting public services,but for that they would have to upset the applecart.Just take the Health Service for example,who is it that decides where the cuts have to come ?The administrators,probably the most least effective people in the entire health service when it comes to actually healing/looking after people.All these quangos attached to every department,"advisory boards" ,"consultative committees",are just nice little earners for appointees,with no powers,disband everyone of them immediately.Crazy money being paid out to construction firms everyday,from the paintjob to the office renovation to the school building,way in excess of what you would pay if you actually went out and tried to get the job done yourself.

There is massive fat to be cut before you start raising takes or reducing pay accross the board,both the usual suspects will have to suffer.

Absolutely. Absolutely! But will the turkeys vote for Christmas? Will they fupp!
 


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