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The Backstop

petaljam

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Free movement of what?
I asked you before, and you still haven't answered.
There has always been free movement of citizens between the different countries in these islands. There always will be.
In case there was any doubt about that, the longstanding CTA was recently codified into a more modern treaty format.
You obviously don't have childhood memories of long queues in a hot car for the army checkpoints just to go to the beach in summer. The beach was only a few miles away.
There's free movement, and then there's the ability to cross the border unhindered. Not the same thing.
 


recedite

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Mehh... I can remember queuing at the turnstile at one end of the street, being searched, and then queuing again at the other end to get out.
And that wasn't even crossing a border, that was just walking through Belfast city centre.
But all that was due to the internal security situation; the regular bombings and shootings.
If people are happy enough not to kill each other, free movement around these islands for bona fide citizens is guaranteed by the CTA.
And always has been, since long before the EU even existed.
 

petaljam

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Mehh... I can remember queuing at the turnstile at one end of the street, being searched, and then queuing again at the other end to get out.
And that wasn't even crossing a border, that was just walking through Belfast city centre.
But all that was due to the internal security situation; the regular bombings and shootings.
If people are happy enough not to kill each other, free movement around these islands for bona fide citizens is guaranteed by the CTA.
And always has been, since long before the EU even existed.
Sort of proves my point about freedom of movement being more than a legal definition.

The difference being that there is no suggestion of those city centre checkpoints being brought back in as a result of Brexit. If there were, then your point might be relevant.
 

Mickeymac

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Mehh... I can remember queuing at the turnstile at one end of the street, being searched, and then queuing again at the other end to get out.
And that wasn't even crossing a border, that was just walking through Belfast city centre.
But all that was due to the internal security situation; the regular bombings and shootings.
If people are happy enough not to kill each other, free movement around these islands for bona fide citizens is guaranteed by the CTA.
And always has been, since long before the EU even existed.

Oh Boy....

 

recedite

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Sort of proves my point about freedom of movement being more than a legal definition.
The difference being that there is no suggestion of those city centre checkpoints being brought back in as a result of Brexit. If there were, then your point might be relevant.
Eh?
It proves that your point was irrelevant to the discussion.
Security checks at a border, or at the end of a street, are not the result of Brexit.
Nor do they mean that "free of movement of citizens" as a concept, has been denied.
Even the Schengen countries have erected security posts at their mutual borders, and they are supposed to be frictionless borders.
 

cytex

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Eh?
It proves that your point was irrelevant to the discussion.
Security checks at a border, or at the end of a street, are not the result of Brexit.
Nor do they mean that "free of movement of citizens" as a concept, has been denied.
Even the Schengen countries have erected security posts at their mutual borders, and they are supposed to be frictionless borders.

There is no Frictionless border in The EU to a completly outside nation this is frankly a brexiteer lie of wanting their cake and eat it.
 

Talk Back

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Free movement of what?
I asked you before, and you still haven't answered.
There has always been free movement of citizens between the different countries in these islands. There always will be.
In case there was any doubt about that, the longstanding CTA was recently codified into a more modern treaty format.
Amazing how the CTA is being spun as a good thing by the 'Southern Ireland' State gov, when in fact, the British gov decided in 1923 that the Irish immigration authorities would have to continue to enforce British immigration policy - because the 'Southern Ireland' State in UK law was deemed part of the UK for the purposes of immigration law.

The CTA arrangement came about because the British Home Office could not impose passport and immigration controls between the 'Southern Ireland' and 'Northern Ireland' jurisdictions because the people of Ireland simply would not comply - and the British then as now, could not patrol a porous and meandering 499 km (310 mi) long partition line through Ireland.

Patriotic Irish people are embarrassed that we still have to put up with the CTA that exists between Ireland and Britain and its Crown Dependencies.

Who in their right mind want the 'Southern Ireland' State lumped in with England as if we still belonged to the UK?

The sooner we end England's interference in Ireland and our country is reunified, the better - past time we dumped all remnants of the 'Southern Ireland' and 'Northern Ireland' entities being in the UK.
 


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