The Backstop

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Mike Pence visits Dublin and politely suggests that Varadkar/Coveney should be talking to the UK so as to come up with a joint border control solution.
Pence said that while he recognised the “unique challenges” posed by the border he encouraged Ireland and the UK to work together.
He went on to call on Ireland and the EU to negotiate in good faith with Johnson to secure a deal that “respects the UK’s sovereignty”.
Not unlike Merkel's repeated calls for a bit of goodwill then.
 


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The EU will take a gradual approach to the question of how Ireland will have to comply with checks and controls along the Irish border in the event of a no-deal Brexit, RTÉ News understands.
Its nice to know the shafting will start off gently, with lots of lube liberally applied...

 

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DUP pledge to keep the border open, when Leo tries to impose the hard border.
DUP leader Arlene Foster has said there will be no infrastructure at the Irish border after Brexit.
She was speaking after Taoiseach Leo Varadkar warned that in the event of a no-deal Brexit there will be checks on goods and live animals, which he said would take place “as far as possible” in ports, airports and at businesses.
 

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DUP pledge to keep the border open, when Leo tries to impose the hard border.
Foster has no authority to make that pledge, and anyone posting on this forum should instantly know that, and therefore you can take it with a pinch of salt.
When people make promises they know they cannot keep, only a fool would take them seriously.
 

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Foster has no authority to make that pledge, and anyone posting on this forum should instantly know that, and therefore you can take it with a pinch of salt.
When people make promises they know they cannot keep, only a fool would take them seriously.
One would presume that the NI First Minister has been in regular communication with the UK Prime Minister, just as the Irish Taoiseach has been in communication with his EU bosses.
Therefore we can assume that all their stated positions as above, are in fact their bona fide actual positions.
 

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One would presume that the NI First Minister has been in regular communication with the UK Prime Minister, just as the Irish Taoiseach has been in communication with his EU bosses.
Therefore we can assume that all their stated positions as above, are in fact their bona fide actual positions.
One of my early bosses gave me excellent advice when I was a lot younger. Never assume, never presume.
You seem to know very little about NI. She is not the NI First Minister. We don't have a First Minister at present, and haven't had for almost two years.
Besides, I wouldn't even assume that she will have even be DUP leader when any new FM is elected.
By the time SF and the DUP get around to repairing their rift, if they ever do, Foster may well have to quit the leadership because of the criticism she will undoubtedly attract over her considerable involvement in the RHI scandal. Given the revelations which emerged during the RHI Inquiry, it is difficult to see how her role can escape a harsh assessment in the forthcoming report. It seems probable that there will be quite a few of the evangelical wing of the DUP ready to pounce, if that comes to pass.
 

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One would presume that the NI First Minister has been in regular communication with the UK Prime Minister
Why do you think that? even if she is, why do you think anything Johnson tells her is correct?
 

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Why do you think that? even if she is, why do you think anything Johnson tells her is correct?
That of course is the other reason you can take it with a pinch of salt. Boris Johnson's word is worthless. He is a proven serial liar, having been sacked from two jobs in the past because of his inability to tell the truth.
 

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Boris Johnson's word is worthless.
Whether you believe him or not, he has lost his majority in parliament so he's unable to deliver anything he promises.
 

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One of my early bosses gave me excellent advice when I was a lot younger. Never assume, never presume.
My boss was more colourful - assume - make an ass out of you and me
 

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Heard a line from an old boy the other week and it is an attractively insightful 'Better to apologise than seek permission'.

I'd forgotten that one from the corporate environment.
 

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I wonder at how quickly the Tory party, or at least the most obvious far right faction within it, has forgotten what lay on the other side of the GFA.

Just what the UK needs strategically. Not enough there is upheaval with economic and social divisions quite sharp now at times in the UK, and let us not forget IS terrorism threats within the UK, some damn fools in Westminster want to risk re-opening Pandora's box with stupid notions of attempting to place a hard border or even a softish border across Ireland.

If ever there was a recruiting poster for dissident nationalists and paramilitaries this implied border-talk really is it.

I've turned this over, time and again, and I have to say it is a concern that none of that cabal around Johnson are cognisant of just how big a risk there may be. I honestly don't think they ever considered it. Probably out of ignorance and not reading the implications correctly.

I have a real question in my mind whether this could be a huge blunder caused by just being carried away by emotions around the wisp of the Empah past because it definitely has never been analytical in my view.

Which should be alarming the thoughtful UK voter somewhat.
 

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Perhaps the ghost of Margaret shuffles the halls of the Houses deep in the night, giggling madly to itself and leaving a faint aroma of gin behind it, and its evil presence seeped into the panelling and has a collection of the susceptible in its grip and won't let go.

Well it is a theory.
 

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One would presume that the NI First Minister has been in regular communication with the UK Prime Minister, just as the Irish Taoiseach has been in communication with his EU bosses.
Therefore we can assume that all their stated positions as above, are in fact their bona fide actual positions.
The Brexiteer position under Johnson is a no deal Brexit.

That ensures the declaration of economic war on the rest of the EU especially on this country, the tearing up of the Good Friday Agreement and the imposition of a hard border.

The EU position is to support the agreement they have already reached with the UK.

That does not stop the Brexiteers from blaming Paddy for the consequences of Brexit.

But shur what else is new we have had that kind of hypocrisy and contempt for centuries.
 

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The nutty thing is that Boiris O'Seanson, the noted Irish nationalist, keeps referring to the backstop as 'the undemocratic backstop'.

It was all fine and democratic for the UK to sign up to it along with it being sponsored by Washington and Brussels and agreed in Dublin, Belfast and London.

What has made this freely entered into element of a long series of negotiations suddenly 'undemocratic' I wonder?

I suspect it is mere expediency for today and will be a cause of embarrassment for tomorrow.
 

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You seem to know very little about NI. She is not the NI First Minister. We don't have a First Minister at present, and haven't had for almost two years.
Interesting fact; when/if Boris resigns as PM, he will still be PM until such time as another person becomes PM.
Similar situation with POTUS in the USA when his term ends. Actually, all former presidents are still called president, just not current president.
And popes, of which there are two.
I would assume the same principle applies in NI (yes, I'm still making assumptions, because that's how any kind of intelligence operates when not all the data is available)
 

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Interesting fact; when/if Boris resigns as PM, he will still be PM until such time as another person becomes PM.
Similar situation with POTUS in the USA when his term ends. Actually, all former presidents are still called president, just not current president.
And popes, of which there are two.
I would assume the same principle applies in NI (yes, I'm still making assumptions, because that's how any kind of intelligence operates when not all the data is available)
She doesn't hold the title of FM. Nobody does, despite your "interesting fact" which is well known and not interesting at all. :)
 


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