The Backstop



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Why the French though?
Viking heritage is more likely, as most of England was within the Danelaw at one time. The same crowd of blondes sailed down into Russia via St Petersberg and the Volga as the Russ tribe, founding Russia.
Boris Jensen then.
Also sounds right with a NI accent, which is a bonus in these trying times.
 

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Interesting fact; when/if Boris resigns as PM, he will still be PM until such time as another person becomes PM.
Similar situation with POTUS in the USA when his term ends. Actually, all former presidents are still called president, just not current president.
And popes, of which there are two.
I would assume the same principle applies in NI (yes, I'm still making assumptions, because that's how any kind of intelligence operates when not all the data is available)
But the information is available. You don't have to assume.

The principle of continuity in office doesn't apply to the position of NI First Minister. Nor is the First Minister's title a title for life, as with President.

There is no basis whatsoever for claiming that Arlene Foster is the First Minister of Northern Ireland. She is not.

Not for the first time on this thread, you've been caught spoofing.
 

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But the information is available. You don't have to assume.
The principle of continuity in office doesn't apply to the position of NI First Minister.
Show us the link then, if its so easily available.
The office is not continuous in that during the periods of suspension, the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland assumes the responsibilities of the First Minister and deputy First Minister. But the last time that happened was 2007.
This minor issue is somewhat pedantic and boring, as well as being off topic.
Renaming Boris is also off topic, but at least its mildly amusing.
 

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Show us the link then, if its so easily available.
The office is not continuous in that during the periods of suspension, the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland assumes the responsibilities of the First Minister and deputy First Minister. But the last time that happened was 2007.
This minor issue is somewhat pedantic and boring, as well as being off topic.
Renaming Boris is also off topic, but at least its mildly amusing.


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Show us the link then, if its so easily available.
The office is not continuous in that during the periods of suspension, the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland assumes the responsibilities of the First Minister and deputy First Minister. But the last time that happened was 2007.
This minor issue is somewhat pedantic and boring, as well as being off topic.
Renaming Boris is also off topic, but at least its mildly amusing.
Literally a wikipedia search would show you her term of office dates. Hint: they so not show her holding office right now. They show her ceasing to hold office in January 2017. There is no First Minister. She is not the First Minister.
 

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Why the French though?
Viking heritage is more likely, as most of England was within the Danelaw at one time. The same crowd of blondes sailed down into Russia via St Petersberg and the Volga as the Russ tribe, founding Russia.
Boris Jensen then.
Also sounds right with a NI accent, which is a bonus in these trying times.
Well, the Normans are actually the 'Norse-men'. Quite ironic in a way that King Harald was off trying to beat back a Viking invasion up north when William the Bastard landed on the southern coast. Classic pincer movement in a way.

I thought that Johnson was of Turkish descent?
 

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Sooner or later it will dawn on the British public (and I suspect this process is well underway for quite a while now) that the whole reason they've lost troops and spent a king billy's ransom on security and economics for Northern Ireland, is purely because Edward Carson and other tourists insisted on being protected from being Irish back in the day.

You have to hand it to the British Governments of the past. How they've managed to keep going with maintaining a Gibraltar in Ireland has been nothing short of remarkable.

But as I say this whole Brexit farrago has probably done more to revive both Scottish and Irish Nationalism than a thousand Arlene Fosters off their face on dinosaur dust could ever do.

We may shortly be in a position to offer Mr Johnson, as a consolation prize, the title of 'Honorary Irishman of the Year 2020'.

If he does turn out to be a United Irishman in disguise well I'm going to unanimously award him Parliamentary Genius of the Milennium.
 

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It is all a pendulum, isn't it? The harder the extremes push, the greater the arc and power of the returning weight.

The most mysterious dynamic in democracy, that. How the many have historically controlled the extremist few.

And where extremists hold sway for a time (it is never permanent) back comes the pendulum to relentlessly aim for a steady diminishing centre. All remains utterly the same, in that respect, and the centre does eventually hold.
 

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You have to hand it to the British Governments of the past. How they've managed to keep going with maintaining a Gibraltar in Ireland has been nothing short of remarkable.
A land belongs to the people who live there. Places such as NI, Gibraltar and the Falklands remain British as long as a majority want that. Not because the English find it convenient, or economical.

If the Irish Backstop is the cause of a No Deal Brexit (which it is IMO)
and that in turn leads to a UI, so be it. It won't be Boris you have to thank though, it will be Varadkar and Coveney. They will have earned the credit, and they won't be shy about claiming it.

If on the other hand, we end up with a hard border imposed by the EU side (which is the RoI) and no UI, then the same pair are also responsible for that. They will of course blame Boris in that case.
 

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A land belongs to the people who live there. Places such as NI, Gibraltar and the Falklands remain British as long as a majority want that. Not because the English find it convenient, or economical.

If the Irish Backstop is the cause of a No Deal Brexit (which it is IMO)
and that in turn leads to a UI, so be it. It won't be Boris you have to thank though, it will be Varadkar and Coveney. They will have earned the credit, and they won't be shy about claiming it.

If on the other hand, we end up with a hard border imposed by the EU side (which is the RoI) and no UI, then the same pair are also responsible for that. They will of course blame Boris in that case.
Do you "seriously" think that the Brits are going to commit economic suicide to placate a bunch of 17th century DUPlicitous nutjobs

ALL roads lead to the backstop (or its differently name equivalent) .... the only variable is the timing
 

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ALL roads lead to the backstop (or its differently name equivalent) .... the only variable is the timing
Ah yes, the timing.
I heard Phil Hogan haughtily expressing this same opinion the other day, saying that all the same issues will still be there after Brexit day.
Its not the same though. Once the UK has withdrawn, all issues connected with the withdrawal deal become obsolete.
Yes, the UK will immediately start negotiating a trade deal.
But Ireland will be in a completely different position. Instead of attempting to maintain the already open border, the Irish govt. will be trying to restore an open border while enforcing border controls.
That's a completely different, and much more difficult proposition. Its no longer a fall back position, it becomes as an aspiration instead. Therefore its not a backstop at all. Its more like a wish, but one which will attract very little sympathy from the other EU states. They will say "you already got your wish, we let you scupper an orderly Brexit".

And next up will be the proposed Mercosur agreement, that's why Phil has been put up on a podium. They don't want Ireland putting the kybosh on that deal by putting impossible conditions into it like we did with the Brexit WA. Phil's job will be to sell out the Irish beef farmers. Even if he doesn't yet know it.
 
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Ah yes, the timing.
I heard Phil Hogan haughtily expressing this same opinion the other day, saying that all the same issues will still be there after Brexit day.
Its not the same though. Once the UK has withdrawn, all issues connected with the withdrawal deal become obsolete.
Yes, the UK will immediately start negotiating a trade deal.
But Ireland will be in a completely different position. Instead of attempting to maintain the already open border, the Irish govt. will be trying to restore an open border while enforcing border controls.
That's a completely different, and much more difficult proposition. Its no longer a fall back position, it becomes as an aspiration instead. Therefore its not a backstop at all. Its more like a wish, but one which will attract very little sympathy from the other EU states. They will say "you already got your wish, we let you scupper an orderly Brexit".

And next up will be the proposed Mercosur agreement, that's why Phil has been put up on a podium. They don't want Ireland putting the kybosh on that deal by putting impossible conditions into it like we did with the Brexit WA. Phil's job will be to sell out the Irish beef farmers. Even if he doesn't yet know it.
lol, you still refuse to get it dont you :rolleyes: .. there will be NO TRADE NEGOTIATIONS without the WA, including the backstop, being in place .... How many times do you have to be told ?

btw, whats your beef against the backstop ?
 

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lol, you still refuse to get it dont you :rolleyes: .. there will be NO TRADE NEGOTIATIONS without the WA, including the backstop, being in place .... How many times do you have to be told ?

btw, whats your beef against the backstop ?

It has all become so boring sir, they simply repeat the same ol crap which they have been doing since 2016.:mad:
 

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The Backstop is beginning to look a bit in need of a seaside holiday. The way things are going that could well happen in the medium term.
 

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Ah yes, the timing.
I heard Phil Hogan haughtily expressing this same opinion the other day, saying that all the same issues will still be there after Brexit day.
Its not the same though. Once the UK has withdrawn, all issues connected with the withdrawal deal become obsolete.
Yes, the UK will immediately start negotiating a trade deal.
But Ireland will be in a completely different position. Instead of attempting to maintain the already open border, the Irish govt. will be trying to restore an open border while enforcing border controls.
That's a completely different, and much more difficult proposition. Its no longer a fall back position, it becomes as an aspiration instead. Therefore its not a backstop at all. Its more like a wish, but one which will attract very little sympathy from the other EU states. They will say "you already got your wish, we let you scupper an orderly Brexit".

And next up will be the proposed Mercosur agreement, that's why Phil has been put up on a podium. They don't want Ireland putting the kybosh on that deal by putting impossible conditions into it like we did with the Brexit WA. Phil's job will be to sell out the Irish beef farmers. Even if he doesn't yet know it.
I know.

The agenda is that Paddy is responsible for the consequences of a no deal Brexit.

Both the London media and government and the Irish media will support that narrative.

It is being spun daily at the moment.

It is a lie.

But what has that got to do with it?
 


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