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The beginning of the end for good of "Irish Water" charges ....or FF smells an election looming!

venusian

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The beginning of the end for good of "Irish Water" charges ....or FF smells an election looming!

The FFer's in their wisdom (and looking at the huge public protests and the huge civic minded chunk of the electorate that have boycotted and refuse to pay thrice for regressive rip off water charges) submission is to "end for good" the "Irish Water" charges.:lol: Has Fine Gaels bosses finally seen the light and unlike the FG loons can see that "Irish Water" charges will forever be resisted by any fair ordinary decent tax payer or is it a cynical manoeuvre by the FFer's to position themselves and gain more votes as they can see an election looming with their owned Fine Gaels little rent boys/n.girls about to implode? :roll:

What do you think Piester's ? Is this the end for regressive "Irish Water" charges beloved by FG to enrich their friends?
Will "Irish Water" be paid for via fair and equitable general taxation due to the FFer's submission?

Fianna Fáil proposes permanent end to water charges
Fianna Fáil proposes permanent end to water charges
Main Opposition party says water system should be funded through general taxation


Fianna Fáil has proposed that the water system be paid for through general taxation and that the principle of charging for usage should be abolished for good. The party made the proposals in a statement to the commission on how water services should be funded.




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Dame_Enda

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A debate is needed on how far the commercialisation of the public good should go.
 

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nonsense.

The debate is whether the best way for water to be paid for is according to use.
Nonsense? Really? Surely now you realise that that type of narrow minded thinking is the blind alley that shattered the Labour party? Perhaps not!

The debate needs to be all encompassing and not just what Labour hacks think it should be. You've learned nothing, but please do carry on.
 

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... The debate is whether the best way for water to be paid for is according to use.
Yes.

But there needs to be more talk about the purity of the water.

An awful lot of rural drinking water is contaminated by agricultural fertilisers and similar.

And there can also be naturally occurring contaminants which are every bit as harmful.


[video=youtube;6NS-d0vGLdE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NS-d0vGLdE[/video]


You'll see here a warning by Irish Water that Irish mains-water can be contaminated by lead; and there is a lot of evidence that low levels of lead-poisoning can, long-term, contribute to crime and suicide in young people, for example, Yes, lead poisoning could really be a cause of violent crime

A private company providing drinking water will always be very aware that contaminated water might land it in court, and that company officials would be at risk of criminal charges.
 
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nonsense.

The debate is whether the best way for water to be paid for is according to use.
Pure genius. It's easy to see why Labour has become the irrelevant waffle machine it is.

Water charges were always going to impale the last government on its own obstinate stupidity, despite Kenny's faux bravado and Phil Hogan's dumb, pig-headed arrogance. Eighteen months ago I predicted that water charges would sink both Labour and their pimps in FG and the resurgence of FF, but you found the idea laughable.

Well, the old boys in FF have played a blinder, Kenny has led his Party into no-man's-land and Labour are sitting in the corner sulking.

And it's all down to water, the one natural resource that nothing can survive without. Place the way voters were treated on the question of paying for water side by side with how the culprits, across all spectrums from banking to government, who crashed the economy in 2008 were handled and you have an insight into why the Water Revolution drowned Fine Gael.

The Soldiers of Destinty have only to wait and keep their bibs clean.
 

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FF want water paid for out of general taxation............

Fianna Fáil proposes permanent end to water charges

Remember the all the guff about "new politics"? :roll: Well MM and his cohorts are now showing that it is good old fashioned auction politics. They are a thorough disgrace and unfit to govern................

Fianna Fáil, which accepted the principle of water charges as part of the troika’s bailout package, had also previously argued that domestic charges should only be suspended until such time as the national water infrastructure could be brought up to standard.
But they have now decided to placate the vocal minority whipped up the megaphone left by going for the populist option.They say in the piece that they have legal advice to contradict the EC position that we will be fined for breaching the Water Directive but won't publish it.

 

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Nonsense? Really? Surely now you realise that that type of narrow minded thinking is the blind alley that shattered the Labour party? Perhaps not!

The debate needs to be all encompassing and not just what Labour hacks think it should be. You've learned nothing, but please do carry on.
Whether or not it shattered the Labour Party is irrelevant: the use of water charges to pay for a clean, safe water supply is a no-brainer.
 

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Yes.

But there needs to be more talk about the purity of the water.

An awful lot of rural drinking water is contaminated by agricultural fertilisers and similar.

And there can also be naturally occurring contaminants which are every bit as harmful.


[video=youtube;6NS-d0vGLdE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NS-d0vGLdE[/video]


You'll see here a warning by Irish Water that Irish mains-water can be contaminated by lead; and there is a lot of evidence that low levels of lead-poisoning can, long-term, contribute to crime and suicide in young people, for example, Yes, lead poisoning could really be a cause of violent crime

A private company providing drinking water will always be very aware that contaminated water might land it in court, and that company officials would be at risk of criminal charges.
I couldn't agree with you more!
 

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It'll work for them in the election. Large amount of voters out there looking for an excuse to vote FF.
 

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It'll work for them in the election. Large amount of voters out there looking for an excuse to vote FF.
I fear you're right.

We should do our best to ensure that they lose as many votes from their more rational support than they are likely to gain from the hooting and roaring community.
 

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I fear you're right.

We should do our best to ensure that they lose as many votes from their more rational support than they are likely to gain from the hooting and roaring community.
The next step will be to promise refunds for all wells and private schemes - first move toward FF/ SF coalition, in the national interest, of course.
 

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Those of us who defend a rational, environmentally friendly system for financing the water supply should hit Fianna Fáil as hard as humanly possible for this appalling and flagrant surrender to their instinct for populist demagoguery.
No need, as yet again the EU will bail them out. They might say charges should be abolished, and indeed will run in the next election with that solemn promise, and within a few days will then say that the EU is forcing it on us.
 

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Fine Gael will go into an election as the only party still supporting the leaky Irish Water tax. Good riddance.
 

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Those of us who defend a rational, environmentally friendly system for financing the water supply should hit Fianna Fáil as hard as humanly possible for this appalling and flagrant surrender to their instinct for populist demagoguery.

Alan Kelly has just been on the radio, saying that there should be a charge for water infrastructure, not for the water used.
 


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