The Beginning of the End for Northern Ireland

Irish-Rationalist

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A foreboding analytical summary of the very real consequences of Brexit for the existence of NI, and worthy of a read by those unionists who avidly voted Brexit viewing it as beneficial, and predicting Brexit would have little impact for NI economically, and would have no consequence for NI as part of the United Kingdom.

The age-old bid for a unified Ireland is now wearing utilitarian clothes:

Brexit is the beginning of the end for Northern Ireland



Tick-tock ...
 


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I like CastleRay and believe him to be unfairly labelled as a bigot on here but I cant work out why as a Pro-Union Ulster man he supports the Tories. Tory policy is undermining of the Union not only in NI but also even more so in Scotland and Wales. Something that has to be remembered though is that a lot of people have a massive emotional investment in maintaining the Union because otherwise they will see their tribe as being humiliated, the heart has reasons that reason knows nothing of, therefore I believe that Taigh's idea of a Pan-Celtic or at least a Union of Scotland and Ireland outside of the present UK and EU is the way forward.
 

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The straw clutching continues.

We were to be bombed into a United Ireland - failed

We were to be bred into a United Ireland - failed

The Scottish Independence referendum - high hopes - failed

Centenary - President Coco and Army Council in Government both sides of border - failed

Now we have Brexit ......

Roll on 2116 ....
 

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I like CastleRay and believe him to be unfairly labelled as a bigot on here but I cant work out why as a Pro-Union Ulster man he supports the Tories. Tory policy is undermining of the Union not only in NI but also even more so in Scotland and Wales. Something that has to be remembered though is that a lot of people have a massive emotional investment in maintaining the Union because otherwise they will see their tribe as being humiliated, the heart has reasons that reason knows nothing of, therefore I believe that Taigh's idea of a Pan-Celtic or at least a Union of Scotland and Ireland outside of the present UK and EU is the way forward.
Some deluded unionists see themselves as elevated above the trifling, seething, mass of unattractiveness which is NI unionism, and fancy themselves as being socio-politically acceptable to right-wing, upper-crust, English, Conservatives at Westminster. CR is an NI unionist bigot supremacist in denial, who like Novos, even denies his unionism he is so ashamed of it, and fancies himself as a socio-political equal to English Tories. It's embarrassing and laughable ..

The fact remains; Margaret Thatcher, by signing the Anglo-Irish Agreement, attempted to undemocratically weaken the union and forsake NI to the RoI, and by giving the RoI input in the daily domestic affairs of NI. Hence Paisleys day of action in 1985 and the mass protests against the AIA by cross-party political unionism.

A pro-EU union of Scotland and NI outside of the union is one of the Taigh fella's fanciful ideas. Considering he's a notorious Gael supremacist and infamous racist, I wouldn't pay too much attention.
 
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The straw clutching continues.

We were to be bombed into a United Ireland - failed
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Unionism took the gun into the Irish democratic process and we all must live with the consequences.

Would you agree that everything should be done in the most cost effective manner across the Island? If not which things do you want to waste money on?
 

Irish-Rationalist

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The straw clutching continues.

We were to be bombed into a United Ireland - failed

We were to be bred into a United Ireland - failed

The Scottish Independence referendum - high hopes - failed

Centenary - President Coco and Army Council in Government both sides of border - failed

Now we have Brexit ......

Roll on 2116 ....
1993 - no sign of peace. The ceasefires called the following year.

1997 - PIRA hit Canary Wharf. Return to war inevitable. GFA signed the following year.

2007 - After the collapse of the executive, former sworn and bitter enemies Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness become first and deputy first minister. Same year PIRA decommissions weaponry.

2016 - 18 years of the GFA and a coalition government at Stormont. SF and DUP, despite their political polarity, still keeping it together.

NI has yet to experience the economic consequences of Brexit.

Scotland's 2nd independence referendum is in the pipeline, and shall inevitably be called post Brexit.

Both sections of Ireland are resolutely pro-EU, but one is being dragged out of the EU against its democratic wishes by mother England.

Demographic changes within NI delivering a Catholic majority before 2030.

NI is not an economically viable nor self sufficient part of the UK, being perpetually dependent upon Westminster subvention for its economical survival.

The English tax-payer increasingly resents NI for benefiting disproportionately under the Barnett Formula, and would save considerably with NI exit from UK via Irish reunification.

Let's wait this one out ...
 

Se0samh

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The straw clutching continues.

We were to be bombed into a United Ireland - failed

We were to be bred into a United Ireland - failed

The Scottish Independence referendum - high hopes - failed

Centenary - President Coco and Army Council in Government both sides of border - failed

Now we have Brexit ......

Roll on 2116 ....
Droning on and on and on, fail,fail, fail ..................



[video=youtube;LSJkMBMEwPk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSJkMBMEwPk[/video]
 

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Guys ffs now...a united Ireland is not a live issue....the whole thing is getting embarrassing tbh...Embrace your Britishness. Cherish your full UK citizenship and move the fck on...
 

Se0samh

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Guys ffs now...a united Ireland is not a live issue....the whole thing is getting embarrassing tbh...Embrace your Britishness. Cherish your full UK citizenship and move the fck on...

Aint got none of that, where do you get it..................oh yes that island to the east..............nah I'll stay Irish, thanks all the same......:lol:
 

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Guys ffs now...a united Ireland is not a live issue....the whole thing is getting embarrassing tbh...Embrace your Britishness. Cherish your full UK citizenship and move the fck on...

Do you think unionism is british?
 

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Guys ffs now...a united Ireland is not a live issue....the whole thing is getting embarrassing tbh...Embrace your Britishness. Cherish your full UK citizenship and move the fck on...
A united Ireland is not going away as an issue. Anyone born in Ireland is Irish, get over it.
 

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A united Ireland is not going away as an issue. Anyone born in Ireland is Irish, get over it.
In the same way as anyone born in Scotland is Scottish, anyone born in Wales as Welsh and anyone born in England is English some Irish preferred to subsume their Irishness in the term British. Get over it.
 

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In the same way as anyone born in Scotland is Scottish, anyone born in Wales as Welsh and anyone born in England is English some Irish preferred to subsume their Irishness in the term British. Get over it.

:lol:
 

Se0samh

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Old Belfast joke- woman flags down a bus and when the doors open asks: Are ye goin' to Gilnahirk- the driver in exasperation says - No love, what's it say on the front- and the woman retorts- Well it says India on yer tyres and yer not goin' there either.........:rolleyes:
 

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In the same way as anyone born in Scotland is Scottish, anyone born in Wales as Welsh and anyone born in England is English some Irish preferred to subsume their Irishness in the term British. Get over it.
Not true actually. None of those regions can issue passports. Anyone born in the Republic is Irish. Anyone born in the aforementioned regions apart from NI is British. Anyone born in NI can opt for either passport.
 

Irish-Rationalist

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Guys ffs now...a united Ireland is not a live issue....the whole thing is getting embarrassing tbh...Embrace your Britishness. Cherish your full UK citizenship and move the fck on...
Translation: No surrender. That's the only argument we've got, which isn't even an argument.
 

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Not true actually. None of those regions can issue passports. Anyone born in the Republic is Irish. Anyone born in the aforementioned regions apart from NI is British. Anyone born in NI can opt for either passport.
Like anyone born in the British isles is inherently British?
 

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We don't recognise the term British Isles.
Is that like
"We don't recognise this court."
or is that a
I am not sure of Geography.

Ignorance is no defence.
 


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