The blame game : The UK not taking its responsibilities seriously

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" the blame game that will unfold when those solutions have not been found. It claims the moral high ground: Britain is utterly opposed to a hard border. Thus, when the EU responds by saying that a hard border follows inevitably from a decision to leave the customs union, it will be the EU’s fault. But this is not a blame game or any other kind of game. It is deadly serious. Britain has enormous political and moral responsibilities in Ireland. The position paper tells us what fulfilling those responsibilities would look like in practice – and it looks very like preserving the status quo. The minimum necessary for that to be a credible proposition would be for Britain to stay in the customs union. If it is not willing to do that, it cannot claim to be taking its responsibilities seriously."

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-uk-government-s-border-proposals-for-ireland-are-absurd-1.3189457

It appears that the DUP and UK government could not find the magical devices they needed to control the border. They are now on to "plan B" Make another unworkable proposal... Magic.
 


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" the blame game that will unfold when those solutions have not been found. It claims the moral high ground: Britain is utterly opposed to a hard border. Thus, when the EU responds by saying that a hard border follows inevitably from a decision to leave the customs union, it will be the EU’s fault. But this is not a blame game or any other kind of game. It is deadly serious. Britain has enormous political and moral responsibilities in Ireland. The position paper tells us what fulfilling those responsibilities would look like in practice – and it looks very like preserving the status quo. The minimum necessary for that to be a credible proposition would be for Britain to stay in the customs union. If it is not willing to do that, it cannot claim to be taking its responsibilities seriously."

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-uk-government-s-border-proposals-for-ireland-are-absurd-1.3189457

It appears that the DUP and UK government could not find the magical devices they needed to control the border. They are now on to "plan B" Make another unworkable proposal... Magic.
There's going to be a hard border, I can't see any realistic alternative.
 

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There's going to be a hard border, I can't see any realistic alternative.
There isn't, and attempts to paint the Irish Govt as the bad guys will fail, as the UK have to obtain the assent of 27 countries for their plan to pass. Ain't. Gonna. Happen. Hard border, and Hard Times ahead, particularly for northerners.

ETA: the czechs have essentially said this week's position papers were devoid of any substance.
 
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A soft border would make a nonsense of the whole "take back control of our borders" that the Leave side relied on so much during the referendum campaign. I can't work out why this isn't pointed out to them over and over until they explain exactly how they intend to stop migrants from crossing the border at Coshquin or wherever and then taking the ferry to Stranraer without setting up genuine border controls at some point. Not to mention South Armagh's traditional money-earner of smuggling activities from starting up again.
 

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how they intend to stop migrants from crossing the border at Coshquin or wherever and then taking the ferry to Stranraer without setting up genuine border controls at some point. Not to mention South Armagh's traditional money-earner of smuggling activities from starting up again.
They say they want to allow everyone in but not to allow companies to employ them.
 

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They say they want to allow everyone in but not to allow companies to employ them.
Black labour?
Plus I seem to remember talk about the likelihood of multiple dependents of existing residents coming in as well, people using NHS resources and the like.
 

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Black labour?
Plus I seem to remember talk about the likelihood of multiple dependents of existing residents coming in as well, people using NHS resources and the like.
You appear to have spotted a few flaws with this plan. If only they still had sr Humphrey working for them.


[video=youtube;lFBgQpz_E80]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFBgQpz_E80[/video]
 

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Well when the Hurrah Henry's lose the excuse that it's all Johnny Foreigner in the EU's fault, they'll then have to blame the Muslims, Irish, Jews, Scots, Poles, Yanks etc for all of Blighty's problems !!
 

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There's going to be a hard border, I can't see any realistic alternative.
The alternative is for the RoI to leave the EU,

as written in 1916
We declare the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies, to be sovereign and indefeasible.
 

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Not happening; dream on.
Aside from the small matter of it not being written in 1916 (there not being an EU at the time), there's the fact that the ROI now has the confidence to not feel the need to hang on to mother England's apron strings.
 

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" the blame game that will unfold when those solutions have not been found. It claims the moral high ground: Britain is utterly opposed to a hard border. Thus, when the EU responds by saying that a hard border follows inevitably from a decision to leave the customs union, it will be the EU’s fault. But this is not a blame game or any other kind of game. It is deadly serious. Britain has enormous political and moral responsibilities in Ireland. The position paper tells us what fulfilling those responsibilities would look like in practice – and it looks very like preserving the status quo. The minimum necessary for that to be a credible proposition would be for Britain to stay in the customs union. If it is not willing to do that, it cannot claim to be taking its responsibilities seriously."

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-uk-government-s-border-proposals-for-ireland-are-absurd-1.3189457

It appears that the DUP and UK government could not find the magical devices they needed to control the border. They are now on to "plan B" Make another unworkable proposal... Magic.
That was my reaction as well and I have said the same thing elsewhere on this site. It appears to be a ruse. If they leave the Customs Union then to make this work they'd need to confine this entirely to the island of Ireland and restrict the sale of products in Northern Ireland entirely to those that conform to European standards. Otherwise it would open up the prospect for the sale of things like chlorinated chicken and hormone-reared beef in the Republic, and that would never be acceptable.
 

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Aside from the small matter of it not being written in 1916 (there not being an EU at the time), there's the fact that the ROI now has the confidence to not feel the need to hang on to mother England's apron strings.
OK, it was not written in 1916, it was proclaimed in 1916.
The EU did not exist at the time, nor did the British Commonwealth, and a lot of other things, so what is your point. RoI has exchanged it place in the UK for the EU, where they have less say than they did in Westminister.
 

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OK, it was not written in 1916, it was proclaimed in 1916.
The EU did not exist at the time, nor did the British Commonwealth, and a lot of other things, so what is your point. RoI has exchanged it place in the UK for the EU, where they have less say than they did in Westminister.
This is a joke post, right? Nobody could be that divorced from reality surely.
 

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It's Gideon were talking about here.
This is a joke post, right? Nobody could be that divorced from reality surely.
Attack the poster, not the post.
What are your objections to RoI leaving the EU and becoming a sovereign and indefeasible independent state, giving its people the right of ownership of Ireland and unfettered control of its destiny.
 

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Truly laughable (tis fred), ever since the brexit votail many on here have been whinging about a hard border, when anywan from Enda, leo to djarrygando has called for a soft border they have been hailed as visionaries and saviours of the island of unequals.

Yet when HMG come out and say there won't be a hard border yez all have a hissy fit because the hermans will make ye build the wall...
 

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I'm actually surprised about how scummy Brussels is being about all this.
 


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