The blatant politicisation of the crisis by FG

brughahaha

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I had reservations about Leos address to the nation and whether its purpose , given he told us nothing new , was more about him than the crisis. These misgivings are not helped by those that lost their seat still sitting at the cabinet table.
Those reservations have only increased as the "Government" never acknowledges the role of any opposition TDs whenever it is interviewed and behaves as if it is still the democratically elected Government of the country.
The only problem with that is that it has no Mandate .Les than 18 % of the electorate thought it was fit to run a Government in the recent free and fair democratic election.

This alarm and concern has been heightened to 2 events today. Firstly , as a Company Secretary I got a blatant piece of electioneering from Heather Humphries , extolling Government action and signed from her not her department and Secondly , the eternally useless and unelected Regina Doherty has announced (in another piece of stunning stupidity by her and her department) that any Company that gives its employees a single cent over , or tops up in anyway the €203 as part of the Covid 19 payment via employers ....will not get a cent in refund.


In other words , if you try to hang on to staff by giving them €300 a week , the Government will void all payments , making employers unlikely to bother with the scheme.

Anyone else think Fg are using the crisis for blatant electioneering and naked self interest
 


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What utter bilge.

FG remains in government because that's the will of the Dail.
Thursday 20th February ...Leo nominated for Taoiseach ...gets 36 out of 159 votes ? Thats the will of the Dail these days is it ?



He is caretaker because another Government hasnt been formed but his resignation has been accepted by the President.
The problem is the use of the crisis for blatant electioneering and refusal to acknowledge that all Government policy and actions are only in agreement with opposition parties.
 

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Thanks for not posting the letter from Humphries. That definitely makes you more believable. Nothing more meaningful than discussion based on anonymous evidenceless hearsay.

On the 203: how is that politicisation? It’s just a policy you don’t like. What about it is party politics? I don't agree with it (and I’d be pretty sure it’ll be reversed) but how is it politicising it?

Unless you’re defining “politicisation” as any govt policy made ever. Which would be dumb.
 

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It's not a coincidence that Varadkar re-appointed John Concannon to manage the CV19 "information campaign" which then turned into a Churchill-esque speech by Varadkar.

https://www.independent.ie/world-ne...coronavirus-information-campaign-39051776.htm l

Basically the spin is back, baby, and @campaignforleo is in full swing - that speech, at prime viewing time , with literally a captive audience and well publicized on SM all evening, is pure Concannon - he of the Gathering and Ireland 2016 fame.

Whatever about FG politicisng the crisis, Varadkar has found his mojo and rediscovered his talent for spending tax payers money to big himself up.
 

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I had reservations about Leos address to the nation and whether its purpose , given he told us nothing new , was more about him than the crisis. These misgivings are not helped by those that lost their seat still sitting at the cabinet table.
Those reservations have only increased as the "Government" never acknowledges the role of any opposition TDs whenever it is interviewed and behaves as if it is still the democratically elected Government of the country.
The only problem with that is that it has no Mandate .Les than 18 % of the electorate thought it was fit to run a Government in the recent free and fair democratic election.

This alarm and concern has been heightened to 2 events today. Firstly , as a Company Secretary I got a blatant piece of electioneering from Heather Humphries , extolling Government action and signed from her not her department and Secondly , the eternally useless and unelected Regina Doherty has announced (in another piece of stunning stupidity by her and her department) that any Company that gives its employees a single cent over , or tops up in anyway the €203 as part of the Covid 19 payment via employers ....will not get a cent in refund.


In other words , if you try to hang on to staff by giving them €300 a week , the Government will void all payments , making employers unlikely to bother with the scheme.

Anyone else think Fg are using the crisis for blatant electioneering and naked self interest
Wrong on Virgin media Tonight show the other night, their was a FG TD who acknowledged the support that the Gov. got from the opposition parties for the support they have received

As on another thread, company gives their employes the €203 and it claim back from the RC.
The extra €97 or what ever is paid by cheque or by cash it's not disclosed, in the company accounts it can be put down in expenses.
 
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Thanks for not posting the letter from Humphries. That definitely makes you more believable. Nothing more meaningful than discussion based on anonymous evidenceless hearsay.

On the 203: how is that politicisation? It’s just a policy you don’t like. What about it is party politics? I don't agree with it (and I’d be pretty sure it’ll be reversed) but how is it politicising it?

Unless you’re defining “politicisation” as any govt policy made ever. Which would be dumb.
The letter was in an email which would contain metadata...so no thanks ...not with the nutjobs on here

Ask any company secretaries you know ...as it was a CRO mailing list......or just visit the Dept of Business Enterprise and Innovation website where a link exists to the letter ...Here you go if google is too difficult for you


and there is a link to the Irish times article about the Covid 19 payment

So not hearsay then , not even slightly ...but good attempt to attack the messenger rather than address the post

As for The Covid payment ....policy is being (badly) decided by a non TD , a person so reviled in her last stint of incompetence that she lost her seat .....She could easily (along with Ross) be replaced by an Independent (or God forbid FF or SF) TD

And you dont think that that is a political issue ?

Want to try discredit the post again , given your utter failure this time ?
 

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As on another thread, company gives their employes the €203 and it claim back from the RC.
The extra €97 or what ever is paid by cheque or by cash it's not disclosed, in the company accounts it can be put down in expenses.
Cheque would be cashed and traceable , Cash , almost non existant in most of todays industries where Bank Transfer accounts for 100% of payments.
Even in retail , cash is a dribble.

And why should Company Directors risk prosecution to look after employees when the Department , tasked with "social protection"t under the eternally incompetent Regina Doherty doesnt ?
 

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Thursday 20th February ...Leo nominated for Taoiseach ...gets 36 out of 159 votes ? Thats the will of the Dail these days is it ?
The Dail had the opportunity to replace Varadkar and his ministers. It chose not to do so.

He is caretaker because another Government hasnt been formed but his resignation has been accepted by the President.
He isn't 'caretaker', there's no such thing in our system. His resignation will come into effect when the Dail chooses to replace him.

The problem is the use of the crisis for blatant electioneering and refusal to acknowledge that all Government policy and actions are only in agreement with opposition parties.
Something that's understood by adults of normal intelligence as democracy.
 

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The Dail had the opportunity to replace Varadkar and his ministers. It chose not to do so.



He isn't 'caretaker', there's no such thing in our system. His resignation will come into effect when the Dail chooses to replace him.



Something that's understood by adults of normal intelligence as democracy.

Dear God ..and hilariously you talk about everyone else's intelligence

The decision in the election of a Taoiseach wasn't an "either or" situation ,something thats understood by adults of normal intelligence as democracy

You claimed that it was the will of the Dail ...Firstly , in a clear democratic election 82% of the electorate told Leo he was no longer fit to be Taoiseach , so hes not Taoiseach by the will of the people ( important detail , never mentioned by the media).
This was followed by 78% of TDs voted AGAINST him ...so your claim that other people are stupid when you cant even grasp these basic math is utterly priceless ...but of no suprise to anyone familiar with you.

So are you still claiming he's the Taoiseach by the will of the Dail ?
 

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[QUOTE="brughahaha, post: 12890936, member: 18846"

So are you still claiming he's the Taoiseach by the will of the Dail ?
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He is until they decide to replace him.:LOL:
 

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Cheque would be cashed and traceable , Cash , almost non existant in most of todays industries where Bank Transfer accounts for 100% of payments.
Even in retail , cash is a dribble.

And why should Company Directors risk prosecution to look after employees when the Department , tasked with "social protection"t under the eternally incompetent Regina Doherty doesnt ?
In 2009 i took redundency, the statuary amount i would receive without paying tax was given officialy, while the company gave me over and above the SA, that was given to me by check which was lodged never queried afterwards where this came from., Where their is a will their is a way, pretty sure it can and will be done.
 

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Dear God ..and hilariously you talk about everyone else's intelligence

The decision in the election of a Taoiseach wasn't an "either or" situation ,something thats understood by adults of normal intelligence as democracy

You claimed that it was the will of the Dail ...Firstly , in a clear democratic election 82% of the electorate told Leo he was no longer fit to be Taoiseach , so hes not Taoiseach by the will of the people ( important detail , never mentioned by the media).
This was followed by 78% of TDs voted AGAINST him ...so your claim that other people are stupid when you cant even grasp these basic math is utterly priceless ...but of no suprise to anyone familiar with you.

So are you still claiming he's the Taoiseach by the will of the Dail ?
Well they have failed to elect a new Taoiseach, so under the consitution the outgoing Gov. is still in power till a new Gov. is elected
 
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Cheque would be cashed and traceable , Cash , almost non existant in most of todays industries where Bank Transfer accounts for 100% of payments.
Even in retail , cash is a dribble.

And why should Company Directors risk prosecution to look after employees when the Department , tasked with "social protection"t under the eternally incompetent Regina Doherty doesnt ?
Stunned to learn you're a Company Director ! What do you produce ? Zyclon C ?
 

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Isn't it interesting that the two main female presenters on rte and newstalk are both covid 19 positive and still on the air and filling their pockets?
 

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I had reservations about Leos address to the nation and whether its purpose , given he told us nothing new , was more about him than the crisis. These misgivings are not helped by those that lost their seat still sitting at the cabinet table.
Those reservations have only increased as the "Government" never acknowledges the role of any opposition TDs whenever it is interviewed and behaves as if it is still the democratically elected Government of the country.
The only problem with that is that it has no Mandate .Les than 18 % of the electorate thought it was fit to run a Government in the recent free and fair democratic election.

This alarm and concern has been heightened to 2 events today. Firstly , as a Company Secretary I got a blatant piece of electioneering from Heather Humphries , extolling Government action and signed from her not her department and Secondly , the eternally useless and unelected Regina Doherty has announced (in another piece of stunning stupidity by her and her department) that any Company that gives its employees a single cent over , or tops up in anyway the €203 as part of the Covid 19 payment via employers ....will not get a cent in refund.


In other words , if you try to hang on to staff by giving them €300 a week , the Government will void all payments , making employers unlikely to bother with the scheme.

Anyone else think Fg are using the crisis for blatant electioneering and naked self interest

You clearly do not like Leo Varadkar or the present Government. You are perfectly entitled to that view.

Making a rule which prevents employers paying their employees in excess of €203.00 per week while out on Covid 19 illness is unlikely to be popular with the voters.

Perhaps you will explain how implementing an unpopular policy is going to befit FG.

"Electioneering" is definitely not the word that I would use to describe this policy
 

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I had reservations about Leos address to the nation and whether its purpose , given he told us nothing new , was more about him than the crisis. These misgivings are not helped by those that lost their seat still sitting at the cabinet table.
Those reservations have only increased as the "Government" never acknowledges the role of any opposition TDs whenever it is interviewed and behaves as if it is still the democratically elected Government of the country.
The only problem with that is that it has no Mandate .Les than 18 % of the electorate thought it was fit to run a Government in the recent free and fair democratic election.

This alarm and concern has been heightened to 2 events today. Firstly , as a Company Secretary I got a blatant piece of electioneering from Heather Humphries , extolling Government action and signed from her not her department and Secondly , the eternally useless and unelected Regina Doherty has announced (in another piece of stunning stupidity by her and her department) that any Company that gives its employees a single cent over , or tops up in anyway the €203 as part of the Covid 19 payment via employers ....will not get a cent in refund.


In other words , if you try to hang on to staff by giving them €300 a week , the Government will void all payments , making employers unlikely to bother with the scheme.

Anyone else think Fg are using the crisis for blatant electioneering and naked self interest
Looking back on some of the threads and content by supporters of the corrupt cartel, before during and after the election....it's hilarious to see how according to them.. both FG/FF have suddenly become "Populist".
 


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