The Brexit Courtcase and the collapse of Stormont

Covenanter

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Today's court case in London had two outcomes. The one which grabbed the most headlines was a nominal defeat for the government in which the supreme court ruled that an Act would have to be passed in Parliament before Brexit could take place. I understand that this is in hand and that the government will have little trouble in getting it through Parliament, though there may be issues with amendments later on.

The second one though was a victory for the government in which it was ruled that Brexit did not require the permssion of the devolved governments including Stormont.

If that judgement had swung the other way would the fact that Stormont is currently collapsed have prevented Brexit from happening, because permission could not be given? Was this a factor in Sinn Fein's thinking in pulling out of government? Certainly the McCord character, who brought the case, seems to have put himself firmly into their back pocket.
 


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Nominal defeat, 8 to 3, ok.

Scotland and NI, correct decision. County councils should not have a vote in sovereign matters.

Court also stated that unlike Scotland, NI had another option.

So it begins.

Stormont was collapsed but not to prevent Brexit. But on the instructions of the Irish and British governments. If the Asembly is not reconstuted after the elections, then it's a fact.

So it begins.
 

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Nominal defeat, 8 to 3, ok.

Scotland and NI, correct decision. County councils should not have a vote in sovereign matters.

Court also stated that unlike Scotland, NI had another option.

So it begins.

Stormont was collapsed but not to prevent Brexit. But on the instructions of the Irish and British governments. If the Asembly is not reconstuted after the elections, then it's a fact.

So it begins.
The British and Irish governments ordered the Sinners to collapse Stormont. Oh right.
 

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The British and Irish governments ordered the Sinners to collapse Stormont. Oh right.
Wait and see. If the Asembly is not reconstituted, Brokenshire speaks for NI on Brexit. Unionists won't get a look in.
 

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Wait and see. If the Asembly is not reconstituted, Brokenshire speaks for NI on Brexit. Unionists won't get a look in.
Well actually it is the Sinners who won't have a say. Unionists will have a say in Westminster.
 

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Wait and see. If the Asembly is not reconstituted, Brokenshire speaks for NI on Brexit. Unionists won't get a look in.
If there was only 2 or 3 seats in the balance, what's the chances of SF abandoning their abstentionist policy and taking their seats in house of Commons in order to defeat Article 50? They would be saving the EU empire after all even if it meant sacrificing themselves.

An interesting question. I wonder will RTE put that to big Gerry and tame him for good? :p
 

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Well actually it is the Sinners who won't have a say. Unionists will have a say in Westminster.
And if the English and the Welsh decide to get rid of Northern Ireland, what good will that do?
 

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If there was only 2 or 3 seats in the balance, what's the chances of SF abandoning their abstentionist policy and taking their seats in house of Commons in order to defeat Article 50? They would be saving the EU empire after all even if it meant sacrificing themselves.

An interesting question. I wonder will RTE put that to big Gerry and tame him for good? :p
That's pie in the sky. The only party with the numbers to defeat Article 50 is the Labour party. All of the NI parties are irrelevant, whether they sit at Westminster or not.
 

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If there was only 2 or 3 seats in the balance, what's the chances of SF abandoning their abstentionist policy and taking their seats in house of Commons in order to defeat Article 50? They would be saving the EU empire after all even if it meant sacrificing themselves.

An interesting question. I wonder will RTE put that to big Gerry and tame him for good? :p
Sinn Fein is about Sinn Fein. They would sacrifice anything but their Party.
 

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And if the English and the Welsh decide to get rid of Northern Ireland, what good will that do?
Can we try and keep it real please? Thanks.
 

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That's pie in the sky. The only party with the numbers to defeat Article 50 is the Labour party. All of the NI parties are irrelevant, whether they sit at Westminster or not.
The NI parties can and have held the balance of power in Westminster in the event of a tight vote. It was NI unionists, with the help of Fermanagh republican Frank Maguire who brought down the Labour government in 1979 for instance. Ushering in the glory years of Maggie.
 

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The NI parties can and have held the balance of power in Westminster in the event of a tight vote. It was NI unionists, with the help of Fermanagh republican Frank Maguire who brought down the Labour government in 1979 for instance. Ushering in the glory years of Maggie.
This won't be a tight vote, and the NI parties will be irrelevant. The only part of Ireland which has any real say in the Brexit deal is the Irish government at the Council of Ministers.
 

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Ireland has only one voice among 28 in what happens the Brexit, and they will do as their German and French masters and the banks tell them.
 

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This won't be a tight vote, and the NI parties will be irrelevant. The only part of Ireland which has any real say in the Brexit deal is the Irish government at the Council of Ministers.
The upcoming Brexit vote won't be tight, but subsequent amending votes may well be. The ROI government will have nothing to do with it, although I suspect that going down the line they will join us in ditching the EU. I see the UK and the ROI having much closer ties in years to come.
 

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The upcoming Brexit vote won't be tight, but subsequent amending votes may well be. The ROI government will have nothing to do with it, although I suspect that going down the line they will join us in ditching the EU. I see the UK and the ROI having much closer ties in years to come.
The ROI government is the only part of Ireland which will have any say in the deal between the UK and the EU through the Council of Ministers. There is no prospect of Ireland leaving the EU either.
 

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The ROI government is the only part of Ireland which will have any say in the deal between the UK and the EU through the Council of Ministers. There is no prospect of Ireland leaving the EU either.
I dont think you fully comprehend the way that the world is changing. There might not be an EU for the ROI to leave. When they see the economic success of the UK post Brexit they will be surely tempted to jump aboard before the whole rotten edifice of the EU crashes down around them.
 


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