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The British Labour Party is about to tear itself apart over the Brexit debacle.

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Whilst the United Kingdom is facing a long period of uncertainty and crisis, it now appears that BOTH major political parties will be distracted by internal conflicts over leadership.

Last last night, Jeremy Corbyn sacked shadow foreign secretary Hilary Benn, who had apparently been rallying party members to resign if Corbyn himself refused to go.

In the last few minutes, shadow health secretary Heidi Alexander announced her resignation with signs that there is a mass revolt gathering against Corbyn.

Could he have done more to avoid the Brexit disaster? I think he's a conviction politician and if he's not very pro-EU, there's no point in pretending that he is.

Labour leader Corbyn sacks Benn from cabinet - RTÉ News

Heidi Alexander RESIGNS as HALF of shadow cabinet to quit this morning in Corbyn revolt | Politics | News | Daily Express
 


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Whilst the United Kingdom is facing a long period of uncertainty and crisis, it now appears that BOTH major political parties will be distracted by internal conflicts over leadership.

Last last night, Jeremy Corbyn sacked shadow foreign secretary Hilary Benn, who had apparently been rallying party members to resign if Corbyn himself refused to go.

In the last few minutes, shadow health secretary Heidi Alexander announced her resignation with signs that there is a mass revolt gathering against Corbyn.

Could he have done more to avoid the Brexit disaster? I think he's a conviction politician and if he's not very pro-EU, there's no point in pretending that he is.

Labour leader Corbyn sacks Benn from cabinet - RTÉ News

Heidi Alexander RESIGNS as HALF of shadow cabinet to quit this morning in Corbyn revolt | Politics | News | Daily Express
Just posted on this elsewhere.

Corbyn has been in trouble since Day 1 because of the undemocratic behaviour of many of the Blairites who apparently are democrats but don't wish to support the man who democratically won the Labour leadership. Within 24 hours of Corbyn winning the election Mandelson effectively called for a coup against him. This is great news, Benn should have gone over his Syria histrionics.

Lets' hope this the start of Corbyn rolling up his sleeves and bringing Labour in the direction he wants and put it up to the Blairites, he was been to weak and too accommodating to them thus far.

Corbyn will never win this these people, the Labour is effectively split anyway so if many of the Blairites want to resign he should show them the door.
 

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Corbyn lead a Remain party and one could argue that a Leave vote edged ahead due to his disinterest and laziness over Brexit or an alternative viewpoint to his party.

Corbyn lost that referendum. If I was a Brit and had worked for Remain, I'd be most concentrated now on how he lost that referendum.

The only reason I suspect for him doing so is that he sees leaving as somehow bringing his country closer to being a socialist country. Otherwise he's a lazy ineffective leader.
 

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Brexit is turning into a rout. No government and no parties left to form one from.

What an epic shambles. They can't get even 48 hours of independence without falling apart.
 
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Just posted on this elsewhere.

Corbyn has been in trouble since Day 1 because of the undemocratic behaviour of many of the Blairites who apparently are democrats but don't wish to support the man who democratically won the Labour leadership. Within 24 hours of Corbyn winning the election Mandelson effectively called for a coup against him. This is great news, Benn should have gone over his Syria histrionics.

Lets' hope this the start of Corbyn rolling up his sleeves and bringing Labour in the direction he wants and put it up to the Blairites, he was been to weak and too accommodating to them thus far.

Corbyn will never win this these people, the Labour is effectively split anyway so if many of the Blairites want to resign he should show them the door.
I understand that he retains huge support amongst ordinary members of the Labour party and they get to choose who the next leader is, right?

So if he stands again, his opponent is toast. It all seems so pointless. The Labour party could be a pillar of stability while the Tories are at war....but now this....!
 

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Corbyn has been a marked man from day 1.

The people trying to oust him were just waiting for an opportunity - any opportunity - to have a go.

He has had time to get his feet under the desk and prepare for this eventuality. His opponents have also had time to prepare.

We will now find out if he is up to the job or not.
 

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Corbyns fatal flaw is while Labour party members love him labour voters have no interest.

He will resign today if hes smart. Otherwise it will be tomorrow.
 

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Corbyn has been a marked man from day 1.

The people trying to oust him were just waiting for an opportunity - any opportunity - to have a go.

He has had time to get his feet under the desk and prepare for this eventuality. His opponents have also had time to prepare.

We will now find out if he is up to the job or not.
Yeah well, that's great and everything. But there is the whole Brexit matter which is sort of major and maybe the best thing now would be for the party who want to be the next government to deal with that and not spend months having a civil war?

If they go down this road it matters not wins in the end. The broad mass of the public are going to be impressed with any of them are they?
 

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Corbyns fatal flaw is while Labour party members love him labour voters have no interest.

He will resign today if hes smart. Otherwise it will be tomorrow.
A party leader has to be popular with the electorate, the membership and the parliamentary party. If he or she is lacking support at any of these levels he or she might as well forget it.

Corbyn appears to have enough support in only one of these three constituencies.

He doesn't even have the support of his own hand-picked shadow cabinet.
 
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Corbyn has been a marked man from day 1.

The people trying to oust him were just waiting for an opportunity - any opportunity - to have a go.

He has had time to get his feet under the desk and prepare for this eventuality. His opponents have also had time to prepare.

We will now find out if he is up to the job or not.
The right wing media has been driving this a lot of this. Sky News is so utterly biased. The Tories were almost literally brawling with each other in Brexit debates but Sky kept banging on about divisions in Labour.
 

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The lack of leadership available in Britain is alarming.

They need nothing less than an immediate General Election with at least one party running specifically on the ticket of holding a new referendum.
They should get some Irish lapdogs to help them with this .

Hopefully the British will show some backbone . I don't think that the 52% that voted leave will want some euro lackeys rolling on their bellies.
 

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I understand that he retains huge support amongst ordinary members of the Labour party and they get to choose who the next leader is, right?

So if he stands again, his opponent is toast. It all seems so pointless. The Labour party could be a pillar of stability while the Tories are at war....but now this....!
Yeah from what I know the majority of the membership do support himm.

Watching Sky News, apparently if Corbyn 'cares'about the LP he should resign or else it will implode, i.e. give in to the undemocratic antics of your colleagues.....
 
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A party leader has to be popular with the electorate, the membership and the parliamentary party. If he or she is lacking support at any of these levels he or she might as well forget it.

Corbyn appears to have enough support in only one of these three constituencies.

He doesn't even have the support of his own hand-picked shadow cabinet.
Many of them he 'hand-picked' not because he wanted them but because he mistakenly tried to accommodate the Blairites, it was wrong from the outset.
 

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The left/right battle within the LP is playing out now - when it should have been fought as soon as Corbyn was elected. A LP with Corbyn as leader was/is incompatible with a Blairite structure, organisation and parliamentary party.

Corbyn now needs to do what he didn't do months ago - remove the Blairites from any role of power within the LP HQ, deselect any pro-austerity MPs, deselect any councillors implementing Tory cuts and join with any and all anti-austerity forces inside and outside the LP as part of the building of a European wide (inside and outside the EU) anti-austerity movement with groups like the IU/Podemos in Spain, the Left-Bloc in Portugal, Die Linke in Germany, the millions involved in the mass protests against the 'labour reforms' of the French government etc.
 

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Yeah from what I know the majority of the membership do support himm.

Watching Sky News, ppparently if Corbyn 'cares'about the LP he should resign or else it will implode, i.e. give in to the undemocratic antics of your colleagues.....
As with the referendum result we see that there are those that are willing to reject democracy if they don't like the Result.

How very EU of them ! !
 

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The lack of leadership available in Britain is alarming.

They need nothing less than an immediate General Election with at least one party running specifically on the ticket of holding a new referendum.
That won't happen. A second referendum is off the table. And even if it did, it would be almost as damaging to the EU as it would only confirm the narrative of a rigged system à la Ireland and the Lisbon Treaty.

England voted to leave therefore the UK must go. And they ought to trigger article 50 immediately too.
 

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Yeah from what I know the majority of the membership do support himm.
Many of those who joined the LP to vote for Corbyn have already turned away from the LP because the Blairites emasculated the LP branches - no political debate, no decisions on anything, no action against cuts - saying that - the movement that won Corbyn the leadership can be reinvigorated IF Corbyn moves to take on the Blairites and stops trying to accommodate them.
 

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Right. So the main thing is the internal dynamics of the party and who gets the biggest chair?

I'd say this is a certain way to impress the average voter and sweep to power any second now.

The fact that not one of you get it is deeply alarming to be honest.
 

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