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Nedz Newt

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Ryanair's Chief Operations Officer announces resignation - Independent.ie

It's often remarked we don't do accountability in Ireland, often aimed at politicians.

It's not just politicians though.

When Ryanair, led and said by Michael O'Leary (prop) fúcks up, it's not Michael O'Leary who resigns....it's Some Other Guy who gets thrun under the bus.

Is this willingness to put some other neck in the noose mere pragmatism, something anyone would do, or an indication of a malaise afflicting all aspects of life in Ireland?
 


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He wasn't thrown under the bus; he took the first bus out of town.
 

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Because accountability is generally a sop to make dim people happy. We had a thread recently asking if the justice minister who was appointed in July 2017 should step down because of something that happened in the dept in 2008.

You want to fix who was responsible.

The COOs role is operations. Look up the job description for any coo. If they work for yoplait, their job ultimately is to make sure the yoghurt is produced and in the shops.

For Ryanair it’s to make sure you’ve got enough people to fly the routes. The operational modelling failure here was massive. He’s responsible for either staffing and overseeing a bad models team, or ignoring their results.

Or perhaps he escalated the problem to MOL or highlighted the modelling team were not up to code and was ignored, in which case it’s on him.
 
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Because accountability is generally a sop to make dim people happy. We had a thread recently asking if the justice minister who was appointed in July 2017 should step down because of something that happened in the dept in 2008.

You want to fix who was responsible.

The COOs role is operations. Look up the job description for any coo. If they work for yoplait, their job ultimately is to make sure the yoghurt is produced and in the shops.

For Ryanair it’s to make sure you’ve got enough people to fly the routes. The operational modelling failure here was massive. He’s responsible for either staffing and overseeing a bad models team, or ignoring their results.

Or perhaps he escalated the problem to MOL or highlighted the modelling team were not up to code and was ignored, in which case it’s on him.
Yeah...strange how words actually have meanings.
 

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No doubt he won't be walking away empty handed. Nor will he be black listed for future jobs in similar positions.
 

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No doubt he won't be walking away empty handed. Nor will he be black listed for future jobs in similar positions.
Blacklisted? Why would he be blacklisted? This is private enterprise. Any employer in private enterprise is permitted to hire who they want.
 

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I'm sure a lot of his benefits are tied into shares, so he'll be more than happy. You'd imagine his future would be consulting for the likes of Azurair on a part time basis.
 
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The demands on his department were unusual and almost impossible to imagine. The scale of their operations and the sudden removal of a major and essential resource are pretty unprecedented. The only remotely similar events I can think of are the grounding of flights in the US after 9/11 or possibly the events after Eyjafjallajökull. A tightly scheduled operation may tolerate minor disruptions, but major disruptions require enormous efforts to bring things back to normal, with planes and pilots in the right place and back in service.

It's almost like a black start.

The only strategy is to operate with a major amount of spare capacity, but that is a frill and therefore not in the Ryanair business model.

As consumers, we don't see a lot of what happens behind the curtains. One client of mine runs 400,000 batch jobs each day. Obviously, lots of these can be run in parallel, but most have to be run in serial mode, depending on the successful completion of other jobs before they themselves can be run. The chains of interdependencies and prerequisite conditions creates an enormous amount of failure points which can cause a cascade effect. Think RBS/Ulster Bank.

The thing is that customer demand creates these complexities.
 
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Blacklisted? Why would he be blacklisted? This is private enterprise. Any employer in private enterprise is permitted to hire who they want.
Blacklists exist.
 

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I'm sure a lot of his benefits are tied into shares, so he'll be more than happy. You'd imagine his future would be consulting for the likes of Azurair on a part time basis.
Had he been a public servant he would have been promoted.
 

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Had he been a public servant he would have been promoted.
It would depend on their position, if they were a middle or lower ranking public servant they'd probably get fired as a scapegoat, when one of the crony's makes a mega fu*k up Fianna Gael as say promote like Kevin Cardiff when his €3.6 billion accounting blunder.


"IRISH MEPs have expressed concerns over the Government's nomination of a senior finance civil servant to a top job in Europe following a €3.6 billion accounting blunder. Finance Minister Michael Noonan has given his full support to outgoing Department of Finance secretary general Kevin Cardiff as a candidate for the European Court of Auditors. "
Top EU job for financial blunder civil servant Kevin Cardiff questioned by MEPs - Independent.ie
 

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Ryanair's Chief Operations Officer announces resignation - Independent.ie

It's often remarked we don't do accountability in Ireland, often aimed at politicians.

It's not just politicians though.

When Ryanair, led and said by Michael O'Leary (prop) fúcks up, it's not Michael O'Leary who resigns....it's Some Other Guy who gets thrun under the bus.

Is this willingness to put some other neck in the noose mere pragmatism, something anyone would do, or an indication of a malaise afflicting all aspects of life in Ireland?
Undoubtedly we all recognise this as how things are in Ireland, look at how the major fuk up by the cops is handled.

No one expected the Commissioner would resign, no one expected the justice minister would resign, there is simply NO accountability among the elite, zero.
 

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The pilots should be uncompromising now in pursuit of an agreement that would recognise their trade union, end the farce of contract status and secure a decent pay increase and more worker friendly conditions.
Otherwise, bring the whole company down.
 

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I heard he was thrown under an Airbus.
Was there a pilot .

Any way , the business genius’s that Ryanair are.....They have worked out that they need enough Pilots to Fly their Planes .

Did someone get a bonus for working that one out !
 

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It would depend on their position, if they were a middle or lower ranking public servant they'd probably get fired as a scapegoat, when one of the crony's makes a mega fu*k up Fianna Gael as say promote like Kevin Cardiff when his €3.6 billion accounting blunder.


"IRISH MEPs have expressed concerns over the Government's nomination of a senior finance civil servant to a top job in Europe following a €3.6 billion accounting blunder. Finance Minister Michael Noonan has given his full support to outgoing Department of Finance secretary general Kevin Cardiff as a candidate for the European Court of Auditors. "
Top EU job for financial blunder civil servant Kevin Cardiff questioned by MEPs - Independent.ie
Can you provide even a single example of a lower or middle ranking civil servant being fired? As a scapegoat or otherwise.
 

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Can you provide even a single example of a lower or middle ranking civil servant being fired? As a scapegoat or otherwise.
There was always a certain level of dismissals in the civil service, certainly up to twenty years ago. I know because I was friendly then with a union rep there. At one stage, the name of the person involved would actually be read into the Dáil record, but I think that's no longer the case.
Wasn't Myles na gCopaileen fired from the cs ?
 

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Ryanair is not in business to provide a service. It is in business to make a profit and I predict that share prices will rise.
 
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Ryanair is not in business to provide a service. It is in business to make a profit and I predict that share prices will rise.
If they are not there to provide a service why do they need planes , pilots and other staff .

Ok, They don’t provide much of a service .

Even O’ Bigmouth has worked out that he needs Pilots.....what with him being a business genius and all...........
 


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