The Cahersiveen Baby - at last the Brits are involved.



Old Mr Grouser

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So now, after 34 years, a proper murder investigation is underway. Here's the Independent's report -

… Ireland has only 15,000 DNA samples on its database in comparison to some six million samples in the UK …

60pc of DNA samples obtained from a UK crime scene can now be linked to a person.

DNA sampling is now so advanced that even distant sixth and seventh cousins can be detected through various genetic 'links'.

The advantage of examining a large-scale database is that it offers an enhanced possibility of getting a DNA 'hit' on distant relatives of the individuals being sought - and allows detectives to finally focus their investigation on specific individuals.

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Despite the lapse of 34 years since Baby John's murder, gardaí believe DNA will prove critical in the investigation.

"It's never the wrong time to do the right thing," Supt Murphy said.

"It just had to be done. We have a duty to investigate this.

"There's an infant stabbed to death - we just can't let that happen," he added.

Kerry Babies investigation: DNA hunt for clues to widen to the UK

 

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A hint of tumbleweed in the responses, Grouser.

The born and immediately murdered seems to have less appeal than the Holy Unborn.

Obviously this is potentially good news. Though even if there's a DNA hit one wonders how far it will go. The entire affair - like so many others in even fairly recent Southern history - is so embarrassing that I continue to wonder how on earth the recent apology to Joanne Hayes somehow leaked out at all.

Like so much else from even the dwindling days of Holy Catholic Ireland, the Modern Dynamic Inclusive Powers That Be would much prefer that the whole incident could be referred to the It Never Happened Department.
 

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A hint of tumbleweed in the responses, Grouser.

The born and immediately murdered seems to have less appeal than the Holy Unborn.

Obviously this is potentially good news. Though even if there's a DNA hit one wonders how far it will go. The entire affair - like so many others in even fairly recent Southern history - is so embarrassing that I continue to wonder how on earth the recent apology to Joanne Hayes somehow leaked out at all.

Like so much else from even the dwindling days of Holy Catholic Ireland, the Modern Dynamic Inclusive Powers That Be would much prefer that the whole incident could be referred to the It Never Happened Department.
You're right, Mitzie.

There was a child murdered (and maybe his mother as well).

What has the murderer been doing over the last 34 years?

We know today that someone who murders will often murder again.

But you can't tell that to the people in Cahersiveen.

Listen to this -


[video=youtube;z6_WfLLK2ZY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6_WfLLK2ZY[/video]


They don't want the intrusion into their privacy, and of course when the killer is identified it's going to be a considerable embarrassment to their entire extended family.
 

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They don't want the intrusion into their privacy, and of course when the killer is identified it's going to be a considerable embarrassment to their entire extended family.
I suspect that your use of the word "when" is optimistic. And of course "identified" and "revealed" are two entirely different things.

Though I would love to have to eat my words on a matter like this.

Though I still can't help thinking that it's more than a bit ironic that lots of p.ie folk who make free with terms like "baby murderers" on certain other threads seem to shy away from this one.
 

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You're right, Mitzie.

There was a child murdered (and maybe his mother as well).

What has the murderer been doing over the last 34 years?

We know today that someone who murders will often murder again.

But you can't tell that to the people in Cahersiveen.

Listen to this -


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They don't want the intrusion into their privacy, and of course when the killer is identified it's going to be a considerable embarrassment to their entire extended family.
What makes you assume the mother may not have killed the baby? Perhaps an incest situation. Whoever did it, did it in a frenzy, judging by the amount of stab wounds.
 

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What makes you assume the mother may not have killed the baby? Perhaps an incest situation. Whoever did it, did it in a frenzy, judging by the amount of stab wounds.
I don't think he made that assumption. Establishing who the mother and father is, if possible, would be a start.
 

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I don't think he made that assumption. Establishing who the mother and father is, if possible, would be a start.
Normally I'd agree. I don't for this case. I think it could cause more damage than the worth of finding out what happened.
 

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A new stage in the saga, and I'm starting a new thread since the old one is so with tripe.

The AGS is involving the PSNI,;and that means that the UK DNA database is likely to be trawled for a match or for possible family links. https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/kerry-babies-dna-investigation-extended-to-uk-826429.html
Gosh - a dangerous precedent - all those Anti-Church fanatics will be demanding something similar be done after a thorough site excavation at Tuam and other homes.....
 

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A hint of tumbleweed in the responses, Grouser.

The born and immediately murdered seems to have less appeal than the Holy Unborn.

Obviously this is potentially good news. Though even if there's a DNA hit one wonders how far it will go. The entire affair - like so many others in even fairly recent Southern history - is so embarrassing that I continue to wonder how on earth the recent apology to Joanne Hayes somehow leaked out at all.

Like so much else from even the dwindling days of Holy Catholic Ireland, the Modern Dynamic Inclusive Powers That Be would much prefer that the whole incident could be referred to the It Never Happened Department.
How do you know the baby was a Catholic

- was it in his DNA?
 

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You can't have a good moan in Ireland without
- blaming the RCC and giving the bishops a good kicking
- blaming the Brits and giving the Tories a good kicking
- downplaying the blunders of the institutional state
- pushing the narrative that everything got fixed when we agreed to nEU imperial rule from Brussels.
 

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A crime(s) was committed against that newborn baby. That crime demands justice.

Hopefully these latest enquiries will bring the perpetrators to justice.
 

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Now the Church of Ireland can be moaned at too as it has had the audacity to oppose indiscriminate abortion up to i2 weeks. The Irish Times can barely be bothered reporting this.
 

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Superintendent Flor Murphy could let the Irish public know how the British police is getting on with this very cold case which our own Garda Siochana failed to solve, I suppose the IRA's attempt to dismantle the R o I took a lot of Garda time. Now you would think that t butter wouldn't melt in Sinn Fein's collective mouth.
 

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Superintendent Flor Murphy could let the Irish public know how the British police is getting on with this very cold case which our own Garda Siochana failed to solve, I suppose the IRA's attempt to dismantle the R o I took a lot of Garda time. Now you would think that t butter wouldn't melt in Sinn Fein's collective mouth.
the british police have millions of unsolved crime of their own- surly you don't think they are all a Sherlock holmes type- Sinn Fein buttered you up as well-go on and admit it-
 

Old Mr Grouser

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What makes you assume the mother may not have killed the baby?

... Whoever did it, did it in a frenzy, judging by the amount of stab wounds
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I just feel that the style of the killing, a frenzied attack and 28 stab-wounds, indicates one of those men - usually large and overweight - who'll start screaming and shouting whenever he's seriously drunk; and since he killed the baby he probably killed the mother as well. It's a very ordinary sort of crime.

You must have encountered the type.; they're commonl enough though they don't generally kill.

Look at what I suspect is a similar case mentione on P.ie earlier today - http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/223807-why-justice-system-so-lenient-160.html#post11819939
And this is the news report of that case: Killer of four

The murderer there had killed his partner and their two children; and another woman too.

He'd inflicted 21 wounds on his ex-partner, he'd also inflicted nine stab wounds on his baby daughter and a further 15 wounds on his three-year-old son.
 

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Hamburg police searching for G20 protesters Europe-wide

The Hamburg police want to significantly expand their controversial search operation for alleged “rioters” and “violent criminals” on the periphery of the G20 summit in July 2017. The measure is part of a massive stepping up of state powers at home and corresponds to the plans of the Social Democrats (SPD) and the Union parties (Christian Democratic Union-CDU/Christian Social Union-CSU) for coordinated policing practices across Europe.

The search is now to be extended to other European countries, such as Spain and Italy, as Hamburg state interior minister Andy Grote (SPD) announced on 1 February. In a lengthy interview with the Hamburger Abendblatt, he threatened, “For the first time, perpetrators cannot feel safe, even months after riots took place, but are being consistently hunted down.”
Hamburg police searching for G20 protesters Europe-wide - World Socialist Web Site

This was announced on Feb 1st, the Cahersiveen baby investigation in multiple jurisdictions, suddenly urgent after 34 years, was announced on Feb 5th. Part of creating the conditions for oppressive police-state action across all of Europe during a time of increasing challenge to the establishment? Using the most persuasive subterfuge to accomplish it...
 


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