The case of the unsolicited church envelopes.

ergo2

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 4, 2008
Messages
14,068
Can you be sure Ergo.

I often think we walk amongst them.

What's that bit in the bible about the souls of the damned wibbling and witterring.....something of that nature?
Maybe. but a lot of that stuff has died out since rural electrification.
 


Ulpian

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 28, 2011
Messages
490
Many cults call door to door looking for vulnerable people they can recruit and exploit and I would like to see that banned along with those people who give out religious propaganda on the street. Advocating the supernatural is an entirely unregulated area which seems absurd in this day and age. If you sold a gutter-cleaning service and failed to deliver you can be in trouble with the law. Yet promise eternal life and you are free to seek out victims at will.
Does this also apply to People Before Profit / Socialist Party / Socialist Workers Party / Left Alliance etc.?
 

GrainneDee

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 12, 2011
Messages
26,759
Well I'm not RCC either but I sometimes go into their churches (and Church of England churches).

I always make a contribution when I am there in recognition that they cost money to maintain and I am availing myself of them.

I still don't see where the insult is.

Let's say they are implying they think I am Catholic. Or assuming I am one. So what? Is that an insult?
You go into the church and make a contribution. We're talking here about people dropping envelopes in every door in an estate, regardless of whether or not the people in the house had any interest in the parish church.
 

GrainneDee

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 12, 2011
Messages
26,759
I get them from my local church here, with my name on the envelope. It goes in the bin no issue, I'm an atheist but life is too short for getting hysterical for nothing.
Why is it nothing? Someone is making an assumption about you and your belief or lack of it. What gives them the right to do so?
 

livingstone

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 3, 2004
Messages
24,772
Why is it nothing? Someone is making an assumption about you and your belief or lack of it. What gives them the right to do so?
People have a right to make whatever assumptions they like.

Of course you have every right to challenge those assumptions. You could do that by returning the envelope, ignoring it, posting a 'no unsolicited mail' sign etc. I don't see the issue.

I don't like pizza, and yet Dominos insists on assuming that I do every time they post a menu through my letterbox. What gives them that right?
 

GrainneDee

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 12, 2011
Messages
26,759
People have a right to make whatever assumptions they like.

Of course you have every right to challenge those assumptions. You could do that by returning the envelope, ignoring it, posting a 'no unsolicited mail' sign etc. I don't see the issue.

I don't like pizza, and yet Dominos insists on assuming that I do every time they post a menu through my letterbox. What gives them that right?
Of course they do. And people have a right to challenge those assumptions. If people don't, and allow these assumptions to stand, how are we ever going to change as a society? Why are we so afraid to be assertive and to stand up for what we believe?

When Dominos or whoever puts junk mail through your door (assuming you don't have a no junk mail sign) they are signalling to you, as a consumer, that there are certain products available, should you wish to avail of them. When a religious organisation puts an envelope through your door, soliciting donations, they aren't just addressing you as a consumer, they are making an assumption that you are a member of their organisation. That is, to say the least, cheeky...
 

livingstone

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 3, 2004
Messages
24,772
Of course they do. And people have a right to challenge those assumptions. If people don't, and allow these assumptions to stand, how are we ever going to change as a society? Why are we so afraid to be assertive and to stand up for what we believe?

When Dominos or whoever puts junk mail through your door (assuming you don't have a no junk mail sign) they are signalling to you, as a consumer, that there are certain products available, should you wish to avail of them. When a religious organisation puts an envelope through your door, soliciting donations, they aren't just addressing you as a consumer, they are making an assumption that you are a member of their organisation. That is, to say the least, cheeky...
I'm not sure it being an envelope as opposed to a letter saying 'please make a contribution to what we do' changes anything in terms of the level of assumption involved. I mean if you want to challenge it, by all means, do so with whomever put the envelope in the letterbox.

But I just can't see the point in getting worked up about it. It can't possibly be the case that a church, by putting something through your door, is assuming you are a Catholic, any more than Dominos are assuming I like pizza.
 

GrainneDee

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 12, 2011
Messages
26,759
I'm not sure it being an envelope as opposed to a letter saying 'please make a contribution to what we do' changes anything in terms of the level of assumption involved. I mean if you want to challenge it, by all means, do so with whomever put the envelope in the letterbox.

But I just can't see the point in getting worked up about it. It can't possibly be the case that a church, by putting something through your door, is assuming you are a Catholic, any more than Dominos are assuming I like pizza.
Churches don't generally cold call the entire population to contribute to its funds. The idea is to ask parishioners for a contribution. What is happening here is an assumption that these households are members of the parish because they are in the geographical area. Something that was highly likely forty years ago, but less and less likely in today's Ireland. So yes, they ARE assuming you're a catholic.
 

Cahal

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 13, 2014
Messages
880
That you reject any and every possibility of eternal life is your own decision.

Most others would disagree.

Catholic church collection envelopes are distributed usually by local church volunteers.
I strongly suggest you contribute should you receive one.

Contributing financially to the one true church is your moral duty even if you reject its teachings.
The catholic church has millions in gold and art alone. If it needs wants money it should sell some of its possessions. Or maybe practice a little of what it preaches and donate some of its land to help people.
 


New Threads

Popular Threads

Most Replies

Top