The Chaos of Creche subsidy

brughahaha

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If ever you needed a lesson in Irish PS bureaucratic craziness ....... youd be hard pushed to beat the insanity around creche subsidies

Our creche fees have just gone down by €20 per week , thanks to a new scheme ....yey! ...sort of
But the child is 3 in early March ......Creche fees go back up by €20 because the scheme is only for under 3's ....

but then s/he moves onto a new scheme The free preschool year scheme ....... but that has 3 entry points ..January , April and September ...so not eligible until April .....so for 7 weeks we pay an extra €20...

then they're reduced again (havent figured how much yet) .....until june ..because for some reason this scheme doesn't operate june - September ...then we reapply in September until the following April when it all stops again

So Now to March subsidy , March to April , no scheme , April to June scheme , June to Sept No scheme Sept to April scheme :roll:

Behind each one of these "moves" is a shed load of paperwork for the creche .......There you have it Irish Government and PS idiocy at its finest ...... but hey it keeps people in a job managing these bat sh!t crazy bureaucratic schemes :roll:
 


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The system always seemed daft to me. 3 hours a day creche, only during primary school term time (why???) what good is that to any working parent?

It would have been much better to use the same money to provide full time creche for families that need it.
 

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Thankfully we no longer use a creche. The schemes were always nuts and the hassle just wasn't worth it anymore, including earning less money in the time the kids were in creche. Took a while to get there.

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High time we took creches and pre-schools into the real education system and made them part of the normal schooling system.

We should pay creche workers a real days wage, many of them are only on minimum wage despite them having to be skilled in their field, just as a teacher.

Then we could offer free places to all children, thus creating more jobs as the demand grows. We could then look at educating children from a young age with compulsory education.

On a separate note;

Over on political Irish today, one poster said at his local creche

"They have 21 kids enrolled in September, out of these 21 only 7 are Irish, the rest are from all over the world, not just the EU. "
 

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Over on political Irish today, one poster said at his local creche

"They have 21 kids enrolled in September, out of these 21 only 7 are Irish, the rest are from all over the world, not just the EU. "
that must be somewhere posh. Its way less irish in some other creches.
 

brughahaha

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The system always seemed daft to me. 3 hours a day creche, only during primary school term time (why???) what good is that to any working parent?

It would have been much better to use the same money to provide full time creche for families that need it.
Just make the creche fees tax deductible @20%......... provide free places for social welfare/low waged ... but god forbid we do something simple and non bureaucratic
 

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Thats the first scheme in the OP €20 per week up to the age of 3 ......... started on 1 st sept
Problem has been, IMO, that the subvention model in Ireland was principally based on a means tested system. So working parents weren't qualifying. This scheme was/is and attempt to address that.
 

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Over on political Irish today, one poster said at his local creche

"They have 21 kids enrolled in September, out of these 21 only 7 are Irish, the rest are from all over the world, not just the EU. "
does the creche get them all learning to speak irish ?
 

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Just as with housing, the answer is direct provision of the service by the State.

They'd sooner spunk money indirectly, for ideological reasons.
 

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1 of my kids started last week in the first of the 2 'free years'.
As her b'day is Septmber she in fact only qualifies for 0.5 of yr 1 i.e. Jan to June. But none of the pre-schoolds we contacted locally would take her in Jan as they said they work off of a school yr...sign up in Sept or nothing.

So Sept to Dec = €370 per month.
And there's a top up required of €150 per month for Jan-June as the Govt aren't subsidising the scheme correctly (all pre-schoolds we contacted had a similarish top up fee).
So the new extra 'free' year is costing me €2,380.

Thats how we roll in Ireland...but not to worry, Zappone and her Govt colleagues got a lot of press releases/publicity out of this half brained farce
 

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Just make the creche fees tax deductible @20%......... provide free places for social welfare/low waged ... but god forbid we do something simple and non bureaucratic
Creche fees should be completely 100% tax deductible. Creche is a cost of going to work.
 

Spirit Of Newgrange

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Creche fees should be completely 100% tax deductible. Creche is a cost of going to work.
and if you are longterm on the dole, no free creche. seems fair enough.
 

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Whoah..twenty quid!!

Steady on!
 

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High time we took creches and pre-schools into the real education system and made them part of the normal schooling system.

We should pay creche workers a real days wage, many of them are only on minimum wage despite them having to be skilled in their field, just as a teacher.

Then we could offer free places to all children, thus creating more jobs as the demand grows. We could then look at educating children from a young age with compulsory education.
If only half the childen 0-4 were enrolled in it then my best guess is it would require 33%+ increase in the budget currently going to primary / secondary.....and if anything like all kids did then you would be looking at anywhere from 66% to doubling the current budget.....

the carer ratios are lower the younger the kid and if you are looking o increase wages of workers, which you say you are, then you need to take all current childcare expenditures public & private and multiple them a a significant factor...


In other words, good luck....
 

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High time we took creches and pre-schools into the real education system and made them part of the normal schooling system.

We should pay creche workers a real days wage, many of them are only on minimum wage despite them having to be skilled in their field, just as a teacher.

Then we could offer free places to all children, thus creating more jobs as the demand grows. We could then look at educating children from a young age with compulsory education.

On a separate note;

Over on political Irish today, one poster said at his local creche

"They have 21 kids enrolled in September, out of these 21 only 7 are Irish, the rest are from all over the world, not just the EU. "
High time we took creches and pre-schools into the real education system and made them part of the normal schooling system.

We should pay creche workers a real days wage, many of them are only on minimum wage despite them having to be skilled in their field, just as a teacher.

Then we could offer free places to all children, thus creating more jobs as the demand grows. We could then look at educating children from a young age with compulsory education.
If only half the childen 0-4 were enrolled in it then my best guess is it would require 33%+ increase in the budget currently going to primary / secondary.....and if anything like all kids did then you would be looking at anywhere from 66% to doubling the current budget.....

the carer ratios are lower the younger the kid and if you are looking o increase wages of workers, which you say you are, then you need to take all current childcare expenditures public & private and multiple them a a significant factor...


In other words, good luck....
 

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Just make the creche fees tax deductible @20%......... provide free places for social welfare/low waged ... but god forbid we do something simple and non bureaucratic
Just to remind you, you clown: I replied to your post on another thread and you went into hiding................. you stupid ass!

It's not about the chlorine, you fool!
You might want to educate before making revealing yourself as a complete toolbag again.:p

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/25/chlorinated-chicken-trade-britain-us-food-standards-globalisation
 


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