The Claire Byrne Live Leader's debate.

Baron von Biffo

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The second televised debate of GE 2020 will be chaired by Claire Byrne on RTE at 9.25 tonight.

This time all 7 leaders are included and that, together with the recent opinion poll results, should lead to a livelier affair than we had in the first outing.

Varadkar delivered a solid and competent performance in his first leader's debate with Martin which most commentators called as a draw.

With the polls showing FG significantly down on its 2016 result solid and competent won't be enough tonight. The pressure will be on him not just to halt the decline but to begin to turn the tide back in FGs favour.

A less gentlemanly approach and a more vigorous attack on Martin and FF will be needed if he's to achieve that.

Martin also performed well in the first debate and tonight he's in pole position. FF is doing well in the polls and he knows there isn't any untapped well of support that he must go after.

While he will be targeted by all the others a calm and steady outing is all he needs tonight.

McDonald enters her first election debate as leader with the wind at her back. Despite a succession of election disasters SF is showing well in recent polls.

The most mercurial of the leaders, she has an extreme sense of her own dignity, a record of unprovoked tantrums and a tendency to poor judgement.

Of all the leaders she'll be under the most pressure tonight and a bad misstep could scupper her party.

Howlin has been the invisible leader in the last Dail and little is expected of him tonight. A poor debater whose style is stilted and pompous, nothing he says tonight is likely to make any impact on Labour's fortunes.

Ryan, like McDonald, has the wind of good opinion polls at his back. He will face attack from the others about his party's wretched performance when last in government but that may not matter given a lot of his support is from younger voters.

He has that smugness that characterises the Greens and his debating style is somewhat didactic. He's unlikely to win any additional support tonight but if he makes a big mistake he could drop a seat or two.

Shortall will seek to make health the big issue but as a junior minister in that department who resigned because she couldn't work with her boss she lacks credibility.

The SDs being more a flag of convenience than a genuine political party, unless she provokes one of the others into an error nothing she says tonight will have any effect on the election result.

Boyd-Barrett is a fringe politician who espouses a failed ideology. He will be as irrelevant tonight as he's been since he first set foot in the Dail.

Edit: typo.
 
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Aontu have gone to the High Court seeking an injunction.
 

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another spaghetti western on Movies4Men at the same time , well that's something to look forward to.!
 

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Ah , an OP worthy of an arch conservative and unhappy Dail Mail reader type .....Keep telling you You really should give politics a miss for about a month ....It will contain nothing but misery for you.

You'll burst blood vessels with your apoplectic rage at SF and Mary Lous upcoming election successes
 

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Ah , an OP worthy of an arch conservative and unhappy Dail Mail reader type .....Keep telling you You really should give politics a miss for about a month ....It will contain nothing but misery for you.

You'll burst blood vessels with your apoplectic rage at SF and Mary Lous upcoming election successes
My aim in the OP was to produce brief, fair and objective pen pics of each of the participants.

If you disagree with some or all of my descriptions why not explain why?

This is a discussion site after all and petulant little rants about readers of UK newspapers don't add anything to the discussion.
 

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The second televised debate of GE 2020 will be chaired by Claire Byrne on RTE at 9.25 tonight.

This time all 7 leaders are included and that, together with the recent opinion poll results, should lead to a livelier affair than we had in the first outing.

Varadkar delivered a solid and competent performance in his first leader's debate with Martin which most commentators called as a draw.

With the polls showing FG significantly down on its 2016 result solid and competent won't be enough tonight. The pressure will be on him not just to halt the decline but to begin to turn the tide back in FGs favour.

A less gentlemanly approach and a more vigorous attack on Martin and FF will be needed if he's to achieve that.

Martin also performed well in the first debate and tonight he's in pole position. FF is doing well in the polls and he knows there isn't any untapped well of support that he must go after.

While he will be targeted by all the others a calm and steady outing is all he needs tonight.

McDonald enters her first election debate as leader with the wind at her back. Despite a succession of election disasters SF is showing well in recent polls.

The most mercurial of the leaders, she has an extreme sense of her own dignity, a record of unprovoked tantrums and a tendency to poor judgement.

Of all the leaders she'll be under the most pressure tonight and a bad misstep could scupper her party.

Howlin has been the invisible leader in the last Dail and little is expected of him tonight. A poor debater whose style is stilted and pompous, nothing he says tonight is likely to make any impact on Labour's fortunes.

Ryan, like McDonald, has the wind of good opinion polls at his back. He will face attack from the others about his party's wretched performance when last in government but that may not matter given a lot of his support is from younger voters.

He has that smugness that characterises the Greens and his debating style is somewhat didactic. He's unlikely to win any additional support tonight but if he makes a big mistake he could drop a seat or two.

Shortall will seek to make health the big issue but as a junior minister in that department who resigned because she couldn't work with her boss she lacks credibility.

The SDs being more a flag of convenience than a genuine political party, unless she provokes one of the others into an error nothing she says tonight will have any effect on the election result.

Boyd-Barrett is a fringe politician who espouses a failed ideology. He will be as irrelevant tonight as he's been since he first set foot in the Dail.

Edit: typo.
I didn't see the first debate but it strikes me that Mary Lou could help FG a bit. Some people think things are shit and want to give the Government a bloody nose. It is hard for FG to run the line that 'sure things are shit but FF supported or acquiesced to the shittiness'. The next best option is for SF to run that line, and peel off some anti-FG votes from FF.

Some well-timed 'I agree with Mary Lou' and making FF look just a bit foolish for their complaints given the role they've played for four years will be needed from Varadkar.

On the other hand, Varadkar will be getting it from all sides, and needs to be ready to defend his record pretty effectively. A bit of mea culpa and things aren't as good as they could be is fine, but he needs enough of a defence just to give people a bit of pause to question would things really be better off with a mishmash of different parties led by a party that has basically acquiesced to this Government's agenda for four years but now want to disavow it?
 

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My aim in the OP was to produce brief, fair and objective pen pics of each of the participants.

If you disagree with some or all of my descriptions why not explain why?

This is a discussion site after all and petulant little rants about readers of UK newspapers don't add anything to the discussion.

You think this on MLD was fair and objective "The most mercurial of the leaders, she has an extreme sense of her own dignity, a record of unprovoked tantrums and a tendency to poor judgement."

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

You are utterly incapable of being fair and objective to anyone other than FG , and have serious (misogynistic) issues with female leaders , especially if from the left

You funny ......
 

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how comes theyre not lettin the independants on the debate????
 

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RTE approved leaders only. The Independents don't have a leader as such. RTE would probably exclude everyone except Varadkar if they could get away with it. Aontu is trying to get a place in the debate, I think.
very good point mate!!!!
 

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Yes because what the debate really needs is the spawn of Jackie Healy Rae telling us how climate change is a hoax and people should be entitled to drink and drive.
id sooner have healy rae then that snobby **** ross!!!!
 

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Shortall will seek to make health the big issue but as a junior minister in that department who resigned because she couldn't work with her boss she lacks credibility.
This is untrue. I am tired of correcting people. I wont be voting for the STDs but Shorthall has credibility
 

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Why isn't Pat Kenny in this debate? After all, he did such a good job for FG in the VMTV debate that he should be given a place. :)
 

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The second televised debate of GE 2020 will be chaired by Claire Byrne on RTE at 9.25 tonight.

This time all 7 leaders are included and that, together with the recent opinion poll results, should lead to a livelier affair than we had in the first outing.

Varadkar delivered a solid and competent performance in his first leader's debate with Martin which most commentators called as a draw.

With the polls showing FG significantly down on its 2016 result solid and competent won't be enough tonight. The pressure will be on him not just to halt the decline but to begin to turn the tide back in FGs favour.

A less gentlemanly approach and a more vigorous attack on Martin and FF will be needed if he's to achieve that.

Martin also performed well in the first debate and tonight he's in pole position. FF is doing well in the polls and he knows there isn't any untapped well of support that he must go after.

While he will be targeted by all the others a calm and steady outing is all he needs tonight.

McDonald enters her first election debate as leader with the wind at her back. Despite a succession of election disasters SF is showing well in recent polls.

The most mercurial of the leaders, she has an extreme sense of her own dignity, a record of unprovoked tantrums and a tendency to poor judgement.

Of all the leaders she'll be under the most pressure tonight and a bad misstep could scupper her party.

Howlin has been the invisible leader in the last Dail and little is expected of him tonight. A poor debater whose style is stilted and pompous, nothing he says tonight is likely to make any impact on Labour's fortunes.

Ryan, like McDonald, has the wind of good opinion polls at his back. He will face attack from the others about his party's wretched performance when last in government but that may not matter given a lot of his support is from younger voters.

He has that smugness that characterises the Greens and his debating style is somewhat didactic. He's unlikely to win any additional support tonight but if he makes a big mistake he could drop a seat or two.

Shortall will seek to make health the big issue but as a junior minister in that department who resigned because she couldn't work with her boss she lacks credibility.

The SDs being more a flag of convenience than a genuine political party, unless she provokes one of the others into an error nothing she says tonight will have any effect on the election result.

Boyd-Barrett is a fringe politician who espouses a failed ideology. He will be as irrelevant tonight as he's been since he first set foot in the Dail.

Edit: typo.
You really need to fix that apostrophe
 

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