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The Climate Change Debate Thread (Second Thread)

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Ladies. If you choose not to have kids because the world will end in 12 years, I guarantee that the world will still be here and healthy in 12 years, but you will be too old to have children, and your life will be lonely for a half a century. Don’t let liars steal your kids.
 

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Oh dear......


a week or two ago you told us that it was heat from the core of the earth that was responsible for the melting of the permafrost, & when asked to back up your claim you took a Vow of Silence.
you also claimed that the Urban Heat effect was the reason for the recent high temperatures in Europe.
& now, the latest 'theory' that you appear to have swallowed, hook line & sinker', is that it is "high-energy particles from space known as galactic cosmic rays" what done it.

simple question for you, mr charade -
where were all of those ……. ahem ………. "galactic cosmic rays" hiding up to recent times ?

do you feel another Vow of Silence coming on ?
 

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a week or two ago you told us that it was heat from the core of the earth that was responsible for the melting of the permafrost, & when asked to back up your claim you took a Vow of Silence.
you also claimed that the Urban Heat effect was the reason for the recent high temperatures in Europe.
& now, the latest 'theory' that you appear to have swallowed, hook line & sinker', is that it is "high-energy particles from space known as galactic cosmic rays" what done it.

simple question for you, mr charade -
where were all of those ……. ahem ………. "galactic cosmic rays" hiding up to recent times ?

do you feel another Vow of Silence coming on ?
The research by Finnish and Japanese scientists seems to be pretty damning evidence against the agw scare mongering, no?
 

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We have proven that the GCM-models used in IPCC report AR5 cannot compute correctly the natural component included in the observed global temperature. The reason is that the models fail to derive the influences of low cloud cover fraction on the global temperature. A too small natural component results in a too large portion for the contribution of the greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide. That is why 6 J. KAUPPINEN AND P. MALMI IPCC represents the climate sensitivity more than one order of magnitude larger than our sensitivity 0.24°C. Because the anthropogenic portion in the increased CO2 is less than 10 %, we have practically no anthropogenic climate change. The low clouds control mainly the global temperature.
More inadequate modelling.
The problem with the climate cultists is that they are unifactorial.
 

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May here well below average. June below average despite the one day hot spell :) and July about .6 C below average to date. But remember weather is not climate :)
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Moscow is currently 9C BELOW average, Dubrovnik 7C below average. No mention in MSM. Think of the hysteria if these were +9C AND +7c RESPECTIVELY !!!
BUT … BUT …. BUT ……. Rasher
there are regions of the planet where the temperature is currently above average - maybe even "+9C AND +7c" above average,
just that you must have missed them in your research, or the snake oil salesmen that you rely on, never told you about them.

anyway, don't be an ALARMIST like ol Turbinator, Rasher.
we won't be having any Ice Age anytime soon.

you say - "remember weather is not climate"

now, that's about the first sensible thing you posted on this thread.
try & remember it when you're trawling through those Denier websites.
 

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Yes, you'd think with 50% of the world population living on the coast somebody somewhere would have noticed all this sea level rise! Instead we're bombarded with BS about Miami floods which happen in areas built below the historical high water mark.
BUT …… BUT …… BU ….... Breeal
"someone somewhere" has noticed - indeed many in many places have noticed,
& many have installed gauges in many places to measure the sea level rise,
& there are records going back over a century,
& the sea level rise has been monitored by satellite for a couple of decades now.

& the facts are that the sea level was rising at a rate of C. 1.5 mm per year at the beginning of the 20th century, & it is now rising at about double that rate.

don't mention.
 

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So what!? Any increase in temperatures due to increasing urbanisation i.e. increasing amounts of buildings, concrete and asphalt, is not arising due to increased CO2. That is kind of significant, wouldn't you say?
whatever about "significant", it is kind of obvious, I would say.
& in the interest of accuracy, I would suggest to you that the type of heating in question is 'anthropogenic' ?

as to its significance in relation to the other forcings, perhps you might like to inform us ?
or do you feel another Vow of Silence coming on ?
 

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BUT …… BUT …… BU ….... Breeal
"someone somewhere" has noticed - indeed many in many places have noticed,
& many have installed gauges in many places to measure the sea level rise,
& there are records going back over a century,
& the sea level rise has been monitored by satellite for a couple of decades now.

& the facts are that the sea level was rising at a rate of C. 1.5 mm per year at the beginning of the 20th century, & it is now rising at about double that rate.

don't mention.
Incorrect, they haven't noticed, didn't you read the OP? Galway and Dublin haven't changed.

From NASA - According to long-term averages estimated from tide gauge measurements, global mean sea level has been rising at a rate of only one to two millimeters per year over the last century.

So satalites that measures sea level in the middle of the ocean (where nobody can verify) show twice the increase of tide gauges, in reality the tide gauges show sea level is rising at same rate it was at the beginning of the 20th century. That's why nobody notices!

It's time for you to come up some immature nonsensical embarrassing gotcha response.
 

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BUT … BUT …. BUT ……. Rasher
there are regions of the planet where the temperature is currently above average - maybe even "+9C AND +7c" above average,
just that you must have missed them in your research, or the snake oil salesmen that you rely on, never told you about them.

anyway, don't be an ALARMIST like ol Turbinator, Rasher.
we won't be having any Ice Age anytime soon.

you say - "remember weather is not climate"

now, that's about the first sensible thing you posted on this thread.
try & remember it when you're trawling through those Denier websites.
You're missing the very obvious point, that is that any 'hot' events that can possibly have the 'man made climate change' label tagged to it will make the headlines.

Weather that balances that info up with cold and below average events do not make the headlines.

Just because the snake oil salesman is backed 100% by the establishment doesn't make them right, Mang 😢
 

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BUT …… BUT …… BU ….... Breeal
"someone somewhere" has noticed - indeed many in many places have noticed,
& many have installed gauges in many places to measure the sea level rise,
& there are records going back over a century,
& the sea level rise has been monitored by satellite for a couple of decades now.

& the facts are that the sea level was rising at a rate of C. 1.5 mm per year at the beginning of the 20th century, & it is now rising at about double that rate.

don't mention.
So the Sea has risen 150mm, any verifiable examples of this? Serious question...
 

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whatever about "significant", it is kind of obvious, I would say.
& in the interest of accuracy, I would suggest to you that the type of heating in question is 'anthropogenic' ?

as to its significance in relation to the other forcings, perhps you might like to inform us ?
or do you feel another Vow of Silence coming on ?
The point about buildings of concrete and glass causing agw is a good one, as we stand more and more of such buildings are going up at a furious rate, 20 years at least after the agw scare mongering started and our governments - under direction from the 4th Reich in Brussels - have rowed in behind it enthusiastically, but of course they don't bother with silly ole agw when it impinges on their perception of 'economic advancement' or their own election prospects.

Iow they don't believe the agw nonsense in the least, they simply don't believe it but are happy to grasp it as a taxable opportunity or a distraction from their many failures.
 

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Barry was upgraded to Hurricane status, now is a Tropical Storm again after landfall.




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Barry is visible on the Precipitable Water map, in the Gulf of Mexico, and so is the Monsoon in the Asia-Pacific.
 
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Barry was upgraded to Hurricane status, now is a Tropical Storm again after landfall.




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Barry is visible on the Precipitable Water map, in the Gulf of Mexico, and so is the Monsoon in the Asia-Pacific.
It's just weather though, not climate 😁
 

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ironically enough, she’s going to end up with hot flashes.

Miley Cyrus vows to not have children till climate change is solved and fish are 'in the water' - TheBlaze
 


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