The coming "crisis" and American totalitarianism

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"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

Were these presidents lying through their teeth or were they clinically insane or were they perhaps simply better informed than you are and telling the truth?

Those few families with their allies remain in control today. For example, Nicholas Rockefeller is carrying out the plans of his uncle David Rockefeller who himself, along with his now deceased brothers, continued the "legacy" of their father, John D Rockefeller, a legacy which included striving for financial, and eventually political, domination of the world.
when and where did Wilson say this?
 


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That was with regard to the founding of the Federal Reserve yeah?


Yeah it's quite interesting, we'll see if it comes to pass. I don't believe there should be any doubt that it will some day happen, but I'm not convinced it is just around the corner. I do wonder though if Obama's popularity may be used as a screen to temper dissent, possibly. Only time will tell.

I do have to say that the "Conspiracy nuts" scored one with the NAU, once a fairy tale now it is fact. These are interesting times.
 

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pretty heavily edited, huh?

"A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men who, even if their action be honest and intended for the public interest, are necessarily concentrated upon the great undertakings in which their own money is involved and who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom."
Excerpt from 1912 campaign speech
 

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American Totalitarianism? Obama was elected right? Somehow i don't see him going down this route.
 
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Well what the hell was JPK talking about on February 12, 1960: "The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings... we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations"

And was Franklin Roosevelt lying when he stated that: "A financial element in the large centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson."

And was Wilson a conspiracy nutjob when he wrote: "Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U.S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."

He later elaborated:

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

Were these presidents lying through their teeth or were they clinically insane or were they perhaps simply better informed than you are and telling the truth?

Those few families with their allies remain in control today. For example, Nicholas Rockefeller is carrying out the plans of his uncle David Rockefeller who himself, along with his now deceased brothers, continued the "legacy" of their father, John D Rockefeller, a legacy which included striving for financial, and eventually political, domination of the world.
These quotes are without context. I doubt you could actually source me the original context and can only source me one of those 'scary quote' sites. Any one of these people could be talking about the very public cartels (not secret societies) like the Carlyle group for example, that swoop down and buy up the ashes of failed ventures. There is nothing so secret about the abominable cross pollination of lobbyists, policy makers, arms traders, and bankers. There is no need for a secret society headed up by Blofeld or Dracula or whoever would be most exciting. This is a fantasy for people who don't find real world machinations interesting enough. Have you ever heard of the journalist Greg Palast? (Please don't do a 30 second Google and denounce him as a disinfo agent) He has joined the dots in a less erraticly random, and far more robust and credible way, than anyone in Alex Jones' gang. He's done the research and gone undercover etc.

Here's a link to a piece on lobbying:

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Nod, wink, back-hander, mutual back scratching, that's about a secret as it gets. the stakes are big I agree but I do not agree that there are a handful of dynasties etc. that want to control the world.

The only quote above that is cause for concern is the first one (from scaryquote.com no doubt) by Wilson. However, I could just as easily argue that he is talking about a secret cabal of Doctor Who monsters.
 

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That was with regard to the founding of the Federal Reserve yeah?


Yeah it's quite interesting, we'll see if it comes to pass. I don't believe there should be any doubt that it will some day happen, but I'm not convinced it is just around the corner. I do wonder though if Obama's popularity may be used as a screen to temper dissent, possibly. Only time will tell.

I do have to say that the "Conspiracy nuts" scored one with the NAU, once a fairy tale now it is fact. These are interesting times.
You may be right there. But all the pieces are in place. The only thing that holds them back is public opinion. The NAU has not been created yet, just its trade agreement precursor. I believe Obama may use the manufactured crisis as an excuse to go ahead with the NAU.

What is amazing is that CFR members Biden and Powell have spoken openly about what they're planning and had their predictions confirmed by the CFR president himself and yet no one is listening.
 
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pretty heavily edited, huh?

"A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men who, even if their action be honest and intended for the public interest, are necessarily concentrated upon the great undertakings in which their own money is involved and who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom."
Excerpt from 1912 campaign speech
There appears to be some doubt about that one quotation from Wilson. But, as you know, there can be little doubt about the many others contained here:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6CEwVEPsaY"]YouTube - New World Order-conspiracy confessions[/ame]
 
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American Totalitarianism? Obama was elected right? Somehow i don't see him going down this route.
Obama will do exactly what he's told to do. Just as those presidents who have preceded him did what they were told to do- whether Democratic or Republican. Why do you think he's now in favour of war with Iran? Read Perloff's 'The Council of Foreign Relations and the American Decline' or watch the preceding videos or read the info on the opening link.

As a candidate Reagan raged against the internationalists in the Council on Foreign Relations (who have occupied as much as 50% of cabinet seats) and its off-spring the Trilateral Commission yet as president he appointed many to key positions- because he learned where the power really lies. He also undoubtedly became aware of the ruthlessness with which these internationalists deal with anyone or any country that stands in their way.

Guerzino, a close friend of murdered Prime Minister of Italy, Moro, swore in open court that CFR member Kissinger had threatened him during his visit to the US. Moro's wife also stated the same and members of the gang who carried out the murder, the Red Brigades, testified that knew of high level US involvement in the plot to kill Moro. All of this was reported widely in the Italian and European press yet the mainstream American media failed to carry the story. The Washington Post and the New York Times failed to carry a single line of the incriminating testimonies. The fact that the long-running CFR president, David Rockefeller, owns most of these media outlets speaks for itself as does the fact that all the heads are also members of the CFR.

Kissinger said to Moro, "Either you desist from your political line or you will pay dearly for it." This was taken to be a reference either to Moro's coalition partners or the fact that Moro was maintaining a Catholic Christian ethos as PM.
 

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He has joined the dots in a less erraticly random, and far more robust and credible way, than anyone in Alex Jones' gang. He's done the research and gone undercover etc.
Do you consider the Council on Foreign Relations and its offspring, the Trilateral Commission (founded by Rockefeller) and its international counterpart, the Bildebergers, real or the stuff of fantasy?

Do you find the security precautions taken to ensure the Bildeberger meetings remain confidential normal? Is it because they are discussing cricket or something perhaps a little more controversial?

I agree that Alex Jones is somewhat of a liability in the sense that while his information is correct and he has exposed the threat, he at the same time, in true American fashion, has commercialised it and turned it into a business. Absolutely crazy as it makes people like yourself and myself think the whole thing is nonsense, the product of fevered American imagination. I wish it was.

I do not have by nature a "conspiratorial" mentality. Neither I imagine does the renowned Georgetown historian Carroll Quigley who spoke openly about a conspiracy- which he seemed to think was benevolent. Neither does former Research Fellow at Stanford University, Antony Sutton. It was the evidence that convinced him, nothing else. He exhaustively documented the activities of the elite in three books.
 
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So if there are none of the steps you mention within one year then you will consider the conspiracy false?
 

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So if there are none of the steps you mention within one year then you will consider the conspiracy false?
No the "conspiracy" is real or "shared worldview" of a select elite if you prefer. I am just making an educated guess as to their next moves based on their own statements and in light of their now openly stated goals. Many of the above features (the legal and physical preparations) I provided links about were in place in the nineties and noughties and in all probability they would have wished to move sooner (For example former CFR president George Bush senior declared UN law superior to American law).
 

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No the "conspiracy" is real or "shared worldview" of a select elite if you prefer. I am just making an educated guess as to their next moves based on their own statements and in light of their now openly stated goals. Many of the above features (the legal and physical preparations) I provided links about were in place in the nineties and noughties and in all probability they would have wished to move sooner (For example former CFR president George Bush senior declared UN law superior to American law).
If your statement that:
"over the course of the next few months, important orchestrated events are going to be used to put the final touches in a plan which is already decades old in the unfolding"
proves false what will you believe?
 

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If your statement that:
"over the course of the next few months, important orchestrated events are going to be used to put the final touches in a plan which is already decades old in the unfolding"
proves false what will you believe?
Well that's far too definite a statement. The statements by the three CFR members (one a VP-elect) made me think that the time is approaching fast. I still believe that but I can't be certain.

They seemed fairly certain though.

..."the one thing I'm sure of is, events will test him," Council on Foreign Relations president Richard Haass said. "There will be coups. ... There will be genocide. ... There will be terrorism."

He said this in response to Biden's comments, which were confirmed by Powell who siad "Senator Biden is right... there's going to come along a crisis that we don't even know about now on the 21st or the 22nd of January."

Here's the link so you can hear what Biden said yourself:

[ame="http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=rVWFUh-6mQI&feature=related"]http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=rVWFUh-6mQI&feature=related[/ame]

Why are they so absolutely certain? Why did Biden say a "generated" crisis? Why did Powell give dates? How can the CFR president predict coups unless this body plans on instigating them as they have done many times before for those who resisted the Rockefeller dynasty's pursuit of oil.
 

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The whole crisis in Obama's first 6 months thing is being misconstrued here, perhaps willfully. If martial law is not declared in the U.S.A. I'm sure the narrative will morph appropriately. There is a huge movement against the disfuctional economic philosophy that has landed us in the current predicament and been the facilitator of global injustice since its inception. This protest movement is made up of many differing groups who have many differing ideologies and concerns but all agree that the way humanity is being shoehorned into the Free Trade model must stop. None believe that the secret cabal that is being indicated here is planning to take over the world, ...none. None believe such a cabal exists. These concerned groups are farmers from developing economies, they are union members, they are human rights groups.

There are great challenges facing the world. Fuel shortages. Water shortages. Great troubles ahead that have been caused (not quite manufactured) by greed and a total complacency rather than greed and an overriding conspiracy. If I was from the U.S.A. I would fear the ability of two sections of my society to cooperate in the handling of these problems. The first would be the snakes that caused these problems via their own sociopathic greed and hegemonic power and the others would be the armed bloggers who think everyone is out to get them be they trying to implement gun control (which that place badly needs in my view, no matter who implements it) or collect taxes or whatever.

These narratives serve as a harmful distraction. I won't do them the disservice of blaming them for Timothy McVeigh, but if I was paranoid I'd say that this one world government conspiracy franchise (and it is a franchise as far as I'm concerned) is actually the creation of the elites. Created to make those who question the status quo and the establishment view seem less credible. I'm not that paranoid though.

Anyway, I give you guys until July, ...no, let's be generous, one year from now, and if the U.S.A. isn't under martial law I'll be back looking for explanations. (Don't worry, I'll have well forgotten by then). Lock n' Load!

I agree with your post. As well as the damage you describe, there is an anti semitic foundation to the anti-banker NWO stories. NWO material I have looked at contains a lot of very basic demonstrable inaccuracies.
Politicians like Ron Paul who foster this kind of thinking, have no viable political, social or economic alternative.
 

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This is brilliant stuff and nobody has refuted it either. I think im going be on the side of the status quo from now on as this scares the life out of me. I wonder though will oil prizes go through the roof again as they did last year considering the yanks will probably invade iran?
 

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Well that's far too definite a statement. The statements by the three CFR members (one a VP-elect) made me think that the time is approaching fast. I still believe that but I can't be certain.

They seemed fairly certain though.

..."the one thing I'm sure of is, events will test him," Council on Foreign Relations president Richard Haass said. "There will be coups. ... There will be genocide. ... There will be terrorism."

He said this in response to Biden's comments, which were confirmed by Powell who siad "Senator Biden is right... there's going to come along a crisis that we don't even know about now on the 21st or the 22nd of January."

Here's the link so you can hear what Biden said yourself:

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=rVWFUh-6mQI&feature=related

Why are they so absolutely certain? Why did Biden say a "generated" crisis? Why did Powell give dates? How can the CFR president predict coups unless this body plans on instigating them as they have done many times before for those who resisted the Rockefeller dynasty's pursuit of oil.
Well why did he say "it will not be 6 months before the world tests Obama like they did John Kennedy"?

Is he not referring to how both are/where young presidents seen as doves by those who oppose American influence and therefore will be/have been tested?

Could one of these tests he's referring to not be American-Russian relations considering:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/3508795/Germany-tells-Russian-leader-to-respect-the-Nato-alliance.html
The announcement by President Dmitry Medvedev of Russia's first short-range missile deployment aimed at Western Europe the day after Barack Obama won the US presidency was interpreted by Berlin as a challenge to transatlantic relations.
This especially would explain the JFK reference would it not??

Or do you believe that JFK also faced the same peril (that you think they are going to unleash)?

Could the predictions of coups not be in the increasingly unstable Afganistan and the uncertain Iraq both of which have elections coming up?

The 20th of January is the day Obama becomes President so mentioning the 21st or 22nd could be just another way of saying he faces trouble from the second he starts his work as president.

Another reason they might be able to say with such certainty that: :"There will be coups. ... There will be genocide. ... There will be terrorism."
could be because there have been coups, genocide and terrorism in the world during almost every presidents term for a long time?


Do you consider my more innocent suggestions of what they could have meant as possible??
 

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I agree with your post. As well as the damage you describe, there is an anti semitic foundation to the anti-banker NWO stories. NWO material I have looked at contains a lot of very basic demonstrable inaccuracies.
Politicians like Ron Paul who foster this kind of thinking, have no viable political, social or economic alternative.
Gary Allen, I think, and certainly John Coleman documented exactly how the "anti-semitic" charge was used to silence those who sought to expose the investment bankers' control over America's finances; this wasn't difficult because some- not all- of the main families involved were Jewish- the House of Rothschild for example. Later every single smear under the sun was used against the first group- the John Birch Society- which sought to defend American sovereignty and expose the Council on Foreign Relations, its architects and its satellites. These smears were deployed with savage effectiveness by media conduits of disinformation. Yet John Birch member Gary Allen's brilliant expose 'None Dare Call It Conspiracy' sold four million copies in a number of weeks. This partly influenced Rockefeller to found a new group, the Trilateral Commission, for elite "planning for global management" involving the most powerful individuals from America, Europe and Japan- the "tri" of Trilateral.

Incidentally Larry McDonald, the most prominent and vocal critic in America of the elite "establishment" and of communism (which they cultivated at every turn) was in a Korean airliner shot down by the Soviets. A coincidence of course.
 
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Well why did he say "it will not be 6 months before the world tests Obama like they did John Kennedy"?

Is he not referring to how both are/where young presidents seen as doves by those who oppose American influence and therefore will be/have been tested?
I don't believe so. (Kennedy though discovered the price of going against the wishes of the parallel government.) In any case, this does not explain the kind of dramatic decisions Biden spoke about that would be so "unpopular" and would lead people to say, "Oh no, we didn't agree to this" or "How did this happen?" as they sink in the polls. Biden spoke about a precise and extremely negative reaction among the American public to certain decisions that he knew would be made.

Could one of these tests he's referring to not be American-Russian relations considering:
Germany tells Russian leader to respect the Nato alliance - Telegraph
Biden made a few suggestions. Maybe he doesn't even know himself yet. His job is just to deliver the message, to prepare the American people, to soften them up, and to make it appear that this was a leak, even though Powell openly and assuredly confirmed it.

The 20th of January is the day Obama becomes President so mentioning the 21st or 22nd could be just another way of saying he faces trouble from the second he starts his work as president.
I considered this naturally and it may be so. But if you listen to it, it doesn't sound like it. Why the second day? I'm certainly not saying the "crisis" will occur on those days. I believe though it's probable that it will occur in the timeline suggested by Biden, within the first six months. "I guarantee you... Mark my words, mark my words. If you remember nothing else remember this." He seemed pretty definite.


Another reason they might be able to say with such certainty that: :"There will be coups. ... There will be genocide. ... There will be terrorism."
could be because there have been coups, genocide and terrorism in the world during almost every presidents term for a long time?
Yet another strange prophecy Powell made was that Obama would be a "transitional president"- transition to what?

Yes there certainly have been wars, coups and genocide in the course of American presidencies- many of which were orchestrated by the CIA, especially in Africa and the Middle East.

Do you consider my more innocent suggestions of what they could have meant as possible??
Not really. They were both sending a message and attempting to soften people up. At the very least, America will enter or start a new war. The wars are, of course, not only to secure oil markets for the controlling interests but to emphasise the need for a world government to secure world peace.

It's important to emphasise that America- and least of all the American people- is not principally responsible for all this but rather the internationalists / globalists who control America.
 
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The international counterpart of the sovereignty-undermining internationalist Council on Foreign Relations is the Bildebergers.
The express purpose of the Bildeberger group is to regionalise Europe as a step to world government, their long-term goal. Giovanni Agnelli, head of Fiat and a Bildeberger leader, testified that: "We hope to achieve European integration... where the politicians have failed." George McGhee, former US Ambassador to Germany, also revealed that the Treaty of Rome was nurtured in Bildeberger meetings.

Prince Bernhard of Holland (and Royal Dutch Shell Oil Company) was the Bildebergers' first chairman; he openly declared that the purpose of the Bildeberger conferences was to achieve world government. Other prominent members included Monnet's close collaborator, former Belgium Prime Minister, Paul-Henry Spaak and, of course, our friend Giscard d'Estaing.

Monnet himself was a fervent internationalist, first secretary general of the League of Nations; he departed in frustration at the inability of it to function (govern) due to the national veto. But with an assembly, secretariat and cabinet, the League of Nations was intended to be a world government. Monnet used it as a model for the EU.

Goldman Sachs front man, Peter Sutherland, gave the keynote address at a Bildeberger meeting a few years back on the subject of a "Global Summit" and the necessity for dissolving national sovereignties. On these shores he diplomatically calls it "pooling."

Europhile Garret Fitzgerald is also a Bildeberger attendee as is Dermot Gleeson, and more recently John Bruton.

That is, these prominent public figures- whose views on Lisbon and the presently structured EU are well known- are members of an ultra secretive organisation whose goal is the bringing about of a one world government (which will be a puppet in the hands of the investment bankers who want global domination of markets).

 


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